Code Geass R2, Episode 19- Betrayal

Now that’s what I’m talking about, he’s coming for you Charlie

Crusader’s saving the country this week, so I’m all by my lonesome, but we have plenty to talk about this episode. The inevitable betrayal of the OotBK comes to full fruition along with all of the consequences that surround that, including the death of another main character. And once again the writers re-align us for the final showdown between Lelouch and the Emperor.

Monica Kruszewski, the Knight of Twelve, finally makes her speaking appearance, voiced by Anya’s seiyuu, Yuko Goto. Not sure what role she’s going to play, but whatever it is it probably won’t be for awhile since she is stationed onboard the Emperor’s flying ship rather than with Schniezel. One more Round has yet to speak or make more than a momentary appearance, the Knight of Nine, Nonette Enneagram.

Not quite as good as the often-posted emo facial contortion from the first season, but amusing nonetheless. Yeah Nina, for a brilliant scientist you are pretty fucking retarded. Hey, I built this huge strategic weapon that vaporizes a huge area, if I detonate it in Tokyo it won’t hurt anyone right? Certainly not 35 million people who live in one of the most densely packed metropolises in the world…

Of course it is, because where would we have our school hijinks fillers?

Lelouch really started to lose himself here, forgetting all about protecting his identity (not like it matters for this episode) and yelling at Toudou. This scene provides another Lelouch emo facial contortion (not shown here) to add to the collection.

Awesome operational awareness by the Ikagura. Hey, I have huge radar coverage but I won’t announce a Brittanian ship wandering on in that could easily attack us! It’s ok though, it’s for plot, and so Cornelia can rabu rabu over her ani’ue.

Man, he’s just firing out more for the collection. His reaction is understandable though, he’s apparently (remember once again that nobody is dead in a Sunrise show until you see the body) lost his sole reason to live and no longer has the need for the mask he’s put on. One suspects (and is confirmed at the end) that Rolo already knew he was just being used as a tool, but he’s still visibly hurt by the outburst.

I really enjoyed this scene, where Lloyd puts Nina to the choice some scientists have to make, either your soul or the pursuit of science. It’s the same type of moral crossroads that those who created the atomic bomb had to make, or any scientist who designs weapons for that matter. Do you indulge yourself and pursue knowledge to the very end knowing that what you create will be used to end life? A rare truly profound philosophical question posed in this show.

No, no, NO!

Schniezel: Hey guys, Zero has magical powers
Schiezel: Ok here’s some voice recording that could easily be doctored

Ahem, anways, Schiezel has the keikaku doori folded hands position going on. He is playing these guys so hard it’s not even funny, what a bunch of idiots. I was amused when he referred to Lelouch as the one he “loved and feared the most.” I don’t think Schniezel is afraid of anyone, and as for love, let’s just chock that one up to more yaoi bait for the fangirls. He even bullshits about FREIA saying that they warned him in advance. Sure, if you consider having Suzaku inform him, whom Schniezel knew Lelouch would never believe considering recent events, informing him. Played like a flute OotBK.

I’m sure Schniezel saw this coming as well, because he seems to know everything. What’s sad is that Ougi and the OotBK are stupid enough to believe that Schniezel would actually give them Japan back. Without Zero the whole international coalition against Brittania collapses for lack of unified leadership, and Schniezel can take the entire world. Ougi should spend less time thinking with his dick and more with his other head. Now he definitely needs to die.

With all the rageworthy and depressing shit that went on during this episode it’s hard to get excited over moe C.C. serving her master. It’s unfortunate but that’s the direction the show has taken. I just hope they change this situation by the end of the series because yeah she’s moe, but this totally kills her character for the ending. I preferred the devious and crafty C.C. to this moe one, Lelouch needs a strong support to help him through the end.

Realizing that at this point there is no way out of this, Lelouch puts on his acting mask and saves Kallen’s life. It may have hurt her, because she sympathizes with him due to the fact that she also lost a precious sibling, but there wasn’t any other choice. If he truly was a cold and heartless man who would use everyone else as his pawns he would have used her to save himself, resulting in her death. It makes a much better story that he doesn’t. With this, he also cuts off the OotBK for good, because there’s little chance they’d go back to him after he said such things.

Hmmmm, opening the door for the future eh? He seemingly had resigned himself to death so he figured that he’d at least let out some of his true feelings about her, which serves as a great tag for the future since he is saved by Rolo. Kallen, next time you are up in the Guren make sure you go and save Lelouch, k?

I loved the music during Rolo’s rescue of Lelouch, a great dramatic piece of classical along with what I think is another Hitomi insert. The music in this show has always been top-notch, but this really stood out to me. I can’t wait to pick up the second season OSTs, the first season’s are great.

They really made an effort to make Rolo a sympathetic character in the end, which I don’t fully buy. He was ready to kill Nunally, a complete and total innocent who was the most important person in Lelouch’s life for his own selfish reasons. He also gutted Shirley at the mere mention of Nunally’s name. It seems pretty unbelievable that his times with Lelouch allowed him to become “human” if last episode he was dead set on killing Nunally.

The Council’s will has been done, although not death by Shirley’s cell phone strap he at least died to save nii-san. Lelouch showed some heart here by at least giving him some pleasant parting words, and he truly was concerned for his well being during the rescue. Even though much of their relationship was a lie, Rolo can at least die with something to remember, a bright spot on an otherwise dark life.

Oh dear, Suzaku has gone off the deep end, that can’t be good.

Well, now Lelouch is all by his lonesome somewhat. The loss of Nunally, Rolo, and the OotBK is pretty massive, but it allows him to refocus on a single goal. Rather than trying to do many things at once (like fight Schniezel, lead the Japanese, take over the world, protect Nunally, etc.) he can dedicate himself to taking on the Emperor as redemption for his many sins.

Sounds like pretty standard villain faire, I was a bit disappointed that it was coming from Emperor Wakamoto. Destroying this world to make a new one is way overused, especially in mecha. Oh well, as long as they can give us something satisfying in the end I’ll take it.

Now that’s brilliant way to end the episode, I’m ready for something awesome now. Overall, I found the episode to be quite powerful, finally showing the consequences of Lelouch’s choices up until now. He decided to fake his identity and frequently use his geass, and those choices bore the fruit of betrayal that we saw this week. It was unfortunate they were only able to cull one member of the cast this week, but there was very little combat and it was a major character so I’ll take it. I still won’t view Rolo as a sympathetic character, but I don’t bear the same vitriol toward him that I once did.

What’s left for Lelouch? Well he’s going to take on the Emperor, but he’s not completely alone. Orange-kun is still with him until the end, and there’s a good chance Kallen will come back to him given the chance. Other than that you can hope that Sayoko survived the blast but that’s about it. Hopefully he can get Anya on his side with some geass canceling, but he’s starting over from nearly scratch again.

Next Episode:

Low quality extended preview of episode 20.

Investigations of Kamine Island, Kaguya in tears (probably over Zero/Lelouch) and Gino being detained for god knows what. From the extended preview, Anya with red-rimmed geass’d eyes (please get her story out!), Suzaku in his old uniform (flashbacks probably), Kaguya and the OotBK having some serious issues, penguins, and a dartboard. Penguins are actually relevant, because in the Ragnarok map, there is a site in Antarctica (note the center of it all is the site at Kamine Island). Maybe Lelouch is going to visit some adorable little penguins!

Crusader’s Angry Drunken Rant

In substitution of Crusader’s rant, I present to you this week’s ending eyecatch.


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  1. buzzcock
    Posted August 18, 2008 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    @Crusader The reason that the marketplace is getting blown up in the first place is because of the baddies. The baddies are the bullies with the boomstick and use it to whack or stare down those who disagree. That was the first tragedy in it’s self and one that needs to be learnt from and the lesson taken to heart not frivolously shrugged aside. To cure a poison victim the poison first needs to first be ejected from the body. The victim can only then begin to heal and it won’t be miraculous and it won’t happen overnight and won’t be painless either. The damage has already been done and only get worse while the longer the poison remains. My concern is saving those unenumerated lives that continue to be lost and my bitching and moaning is reserved for those idiots who refuse to see that they will only get what they have gotten from continuing to do what they have always done.

    The Black Knights are shit stupid. Strategically it was not yet the opportune moment at which to dispose of Zero. They can’t ensure the security of what they gain with this trade yet and will remain at the mercy of britannia. They played out their hand too early. They got shcneizeled, clearly this why they never made much headway earlier.

  2. Miran
    Posted August 18, 2008 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    The Black Knights and Zero were using each other to each further their own ends. Why would it not make sense for them to drop him once he becomes a liability? He was quite prepared to do the same to them (in fact, had done so, at the end of last season).

    The entire last couple of episodes was building up to this point anyway. You don’t build trust and personal loyalty among your followers by ordering them to massacre random noncombatants without an explanation and yelling incoherently about Nunnally when you’re supposed to be commanding a war.

    Whether Schneizel will make good on his word is moot. From the Black Knights’ perspective they can either take the deal and cut their losses, or keep getting used for Zero’s personal agenda. It’s not like following Zero guarantees them Japan’s freedom either, since he’s proven that he’s perfectly willing to throw away just about anything to achieve his personal vengeance.

  3. Posted August 18, 2008 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Society these days is already on enough meds as it is… I have no desire to put more money into Big Pharmaceuticals for stuff I really don’t need, besides beer is cheaper and requires no prescription. ;)

    Well if they were smart they never would have joined Lulu in the first place or at least would have said no to Rolo. It would be patently out of character for their fist adventure in independent thought to be successful. Thus far Zero did all the thinking for them now they have to learn how to think. It’s not like Lulu was following German Doctrine or even the fire team concept. It was a conscript doctrine where only one man had the plans and the rest only provided muscle is it any wonder that now that they have rid themselves of the Britannian brain that their actions are more like spasms? I think not and hopefully this will be an opportunity to finally rid this series of Tamaki… Hence this was a triumph, I am making a note here of Schniezel’s success.

    Look at it this way now that Tamaki is on his own perhaps he can now finally die. After the slaughter of Britannians last time perhaps it is time that the Black Knights start dying off now the Lulu is no longer there.

  4. Zentari
    Posted August 18, 2008 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    @Miran: You miss the point.It wasn’t about the BKs being used or betraying Zero.It was about WHEN,how and WHY they did so.

  5. Zentari
    Posted August 18, 2008 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    DAMMIT,now I have to double post in order to respond…oh,well.
    @Crusader :
    lol @ the beer comment,as for Tamaki I can’t say I hate the guy, he’s so dumb and worthless that I just can’t hate him for a reason.I agree on the part about BKs being idiots from the start but damn, even THEIR idiocy should have had a limit…I really don’t take well to Ougi however, I mean he’s pussywipped (excuse my language ).

  6. Haesslich
    Posted August 18, 2008 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Kaioshin: Sunrise is a studio with several teams, IIRC. They’ve been… hit or miss with some of these series you’ve named. They’ve also gone through some turnover and retirements, as well as shuffling of staff from what I recall. But over the past ten years, they definitely have had a change of heart with regards to how Gundam shows tend to operate, and perhaps due to the need to market the product even after the show’s done have been reluctant to do the dramatically ‘correct’ thing by killing a main character – instead choosing to sacrifice side-characters en masse to try to deliver the same punch that killing a hero would. While we can cast a lot of blame (most of it, the rest belongs to his wife.. who was coincidentally the head writer for DESTINY) on Fukuda, it smacks of elitism to say “well, Gundam SEED isn’t really Gundam” because it’s so widely disliked; that’s an opinion, as you’ve pointed out. And ironically it was one of the most successful Gundam series in recent years, because it was a Frankenstein which combined teen dramaangst with the pretty boy pilots of Gundam Wing, an upgrade cycle which made it practical to reissue models with new dongles on them as whole new mecha, and brought back old plots from as far back as the original series along with some of the stuff from Zeta (transformable suits, combining suits) and so forth.

    Most of the stuff out there so far is treating him as if he (Lockon) was the same character… and they even joked about it in that first PV with the zombie thing. Even Erstin got her reincarnation (sorta) through that little Schwartz girl in Zwei, so even characters who mostly stay dead… don’t. Sunrise seems to be famous (or infamous) for this now; other studios may do the same thing… but Sunrise examples tend to stick in one’s mind, perhaps because it’s been done in such improbable ways (the Mwu example’s rather blatant, especially with the way they had to retcon it).

    Mai-Otome also seems to have been a proto-Geass in how they played out the drama and storyline, although to judge by how Geass went they seem to have fixed a lot of the pacing issues which plagued the last third of the Otome series. They go for the same sort of dramatic death, character relationship breaking, and the theme of friendship and betrayal. And the same sense of dangling plotlines, although R2 seems to be on its way to tying some of those up. It also seems to have been a practice run for Xenoglossia, which replaced the Otome robes with mecha…. but seems to have reused the character designs for some reason, more so than the Otome/IPGX connections (where you can see Lena and one or two others, IIRC).

    As for Sunrise, I believe their Keroro Gunso team is the best one working at the moment; the rest are more hit and miss, and even Keroro has its bad days.

    But back to the main story – the OotBK got conned by everyone, and they’re on their way to destruction or assimilation… but they don’t realize that yet, although Viletta may have a clue as to it. I hope for a purge of Zero’s followers, which will mean they can get back to being terrorists and blowing up random things for no real purpose, so the United Federations of Nations can fall apart and stop resisting Britannia, and so everyone there can learn just how much of a bastard Schneizei and Charles can be as they fight each other and destroy the other nations which are now caught in the middle.

    Being honest, I’d love to see their world burn in an Evangelion-like ending right now. It would be very, very entertaining and quite befitting the clusterfuck everyone’s made through their actions over the past 50 or so episodes of the first and second season.

  7. Posted August 18, 2008 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    I hope Ougi dies, he basically raped Villetta-sensei in her moment of weakness back in R1 and left her to die. Though I think that considering the quality of Eleven women (Nagisa) I can see why Ougi thought going Britannian was a good idea, now he no longer has to wank off to pictures Chigusa, he got back the real thing. How very Eleven of him…

    Like any human failing stupidity is limitless.

    Well it is rather funny how the UFN thought that they would only have only to kick in the door and then whole rotten structure will come crashing down. Ironic how a little bit half truth brought down Lulu. Clearly the Order was a rotten edifice.

    They are, all of them, vermin. Cowering in the dirt, thinking…what, I wonder? That they might escape the coming fire? No. Their land will burn until its surface is but glass, and not even their Tamaki will live to creep, blackened from its hole, to mar the flashing of a resurgent Britannia. The culmination of our conquest, for their destruction is the will of the gods! And Suzaku? Suzaku is their instrument!

    The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist, and the only thing better than a dead terrorist is a dying terrorist who tells you where to find his mates.

    • Ryan
      Posted December 5, 2012 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

      why do you say eleven girls are ugly?

      Also, I’m a little iffy on ohgi too. did he really rape her? They have sex after staying together and getting to know each other. He didn’t force himself on her.

  8. Zentari
    Posted August 18, 2008 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    @Haesslich: EVA ending ? Dunno about that my pick would be something like that (BEFORE the world goes boom,we CAN have them both,can’t we? ) :
    Ougi: <>
    Shneizel : <>
    *5 million troops are sent to Japan and tear eveyone a new one *

    @Crusader: Well honestly I dunno who I should support in this series.The only one I can think of is Charles and to a lesser extend Jeremia (not that he isn’t dumb but at least he is loyal plus he IS a borg).

  9. cj
    Posted August 18, 2008 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Wow there have to be like 3 discussions going on at the same time oh well.
    @Crusader glad to see that you can spare time from saving the country to come here and prove everyone wrong ^.^ but I have to agree with you (I know I will regret this) with this case that using Zero as a bargaining chip was the right thing to do but for God’s sake if your going to bargain make sure you get what you want before getting rid of the chip. The way they did it it would go down like this:
    Ootbk: “die Zero” *bang bang bang*
    Zero: “noooooooooooooooooooooooooo” *deadz*
    Ootbk: “ok give us japan back”
    Shnei: “why should I you just killed zero for me thanks now fear my nuke”
    *Shneizel excapes nukes ship*
    So you see I think they had the right idea (unfortanetely) just a stupid execution of it.

  10. Zentari
    Posted August 18, 2008 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    For some reason it “ate” some lines.Here they are:
    Ougi : ” So,um,Shneizel now that you conquered the whole world and gave us Japan the war is over,right ? ”
    Shneizel: “Um…no “.

  11. Posted August 18, 2008 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Well being the Area 11 centric people that they are it comes as little wonder that the Black Knights cannot negotiate good deal. Clearly Schneizel has been haggling with Jewish mothers for some time. Schniezel got the best deal not only did he get a surrender, he even stripped Zero of everything for a mere recording and a file of likely victims of Geass. He even scored Cornelia and got some credit in helping kill off Rolo to sweeten the deal.

    An EVA ending could work that way Orange-kun can be lord of Orange!

  12. Zentari
    Posted August 18, 2008 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    @Crusader :I would PAY to see that :p .

  13. Halcyon
    Posted August 18, 2008 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    lol you guys are going to be so pissed when you see the Episode Title for Ep 22.

  14. cj
    Posted August 18, 2008 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Crusader is right eva ending will do I mean how can the code geass universe go on without Orange?
    The fact that the black knights are idiots also helped smooth the process I mean they bought all of that from the enemies I mean they’re so gullible. Yes we know that most of the stuff they said is true but that’s from our perspective from their perspective they were taking advice from the enemy…. the recording could be easily faked, the list of people you’d be amazed what a little program called word can do you can make a page with a photo and some writing so practically you can go to the Ootbk and tell them that a meteor is going to fall on the earth showing them a doodle and they would all freak out.
    What , Emperor Lelouch? If that’s the case I’m happy with it because I support Lelouch I just think the BK are idiots now.

  15. YAH0000!
    Posted August 18, 2008 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    WAAHAHAHAHA!!This anime is the most tragic,full of suspense-action-thrilling shows i had ever seen in my whole life!

  16. Coaxen
    Posted August 19, 2008 at 3:39 am | Permalink

    “What’s left for Lelouch? Well he’s going to take on the Emperor, but he’s not completely alone. Orange-kun is still with him until the end, and there’s a good chance Kallen will come back to him given the chance. Other than that you can hope that Sayoko survived the blast but that’s about it. Hopefully he can get Anya on his side with some geass canceling, but he’s starting over from nearly scratch again.”

    The stuff about Kallen and Orange is 100% certain.
    Plus, Nunnally and Sayoko are probably alive(however, following the logic of non evidential deaths, these 10 million people are alive ;), CC will die and be reborn, and everyone will live happily ever after.

  17. xrampage
    Posted August 19, 2008 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    So….when’s Nina gonna get killed? She deserves it the most (well, maybe next to Ougi)

  18. Zentari
    Posted August 19, 2008 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    BTW was it just me or did Cornelia have the psycho look when Ougi said give us Japan ?

  19. Halcyon
    Posted August 19, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink


    I think it’s just you. It’s probably a mix of shock/digust on Cornelia’s part that Ougi would have the gall to ask for giving back Japan in return for turning over Lelouch. She’s probably thinking at that moment “Filthy Eleven. How dare he ask for something that high/valuable. I’ll punch him into the next dimension as soon as this arm heals”.

  20. xrampage
    Posted August 19, 2008 at 4:28 pm | Permalink


    pray that Kill ‘em all Tomino gets his hands on this show

  21. cj
    Posted August 19, 2008 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Ok I know this is kind of late and probably no one will read it but if someone does well…. yay
    In the ending of the op of episode 19 when lelouch is putting on his contact lense it’s dark while in the earlier op’s it’s during the day…. wonder what that means….

  22. Posted August 19, 2008 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    Can’t keep a guy down it seems. Maybe this is just a sign that I actually do like this blog, find it reasonably fair in it’s impression of shows (other then of course Crusader, but hey…) and therefore want to comment on it. It’s certainly a better quality of commentary going on then at most blogs, that’s for sure. None of that sour grapes mentality I see a lot. That makes two then.

    So, in defence of the Black Knights, they did actually start of pretty skeptical about what Schneizel said and continued to be for much of the talks up until the part where Schneizel put those documents on the table and things started to click for them. Of course those things wouldn’t have started to click for them if they weren’t already pretty suspicious of Zero’s behaviour given some of the things he’d had them involved in recently. Not to mention the increasing secretiveness, the company he has been keeping and his sudden outburst about finding Nunally after the latest battle.

    Though if anyone was truly a fool it was Ougi for listening so much to what Viletta must have told him in private and being the one to agree to a deal for selling out Zero.

    @xrampage: At this point Taniguchi is making a pretty good stab at succeeding the Kill’em all title. I don’t think Tomino wants that title anymore anyway judging by his recent work.

    @cj: Probably something along the lines of this being Lelouch’s darkest hour and/or him having gone over completely to the dark side with his new cause. The one that is just plain old revenge I mean. Thanks for pointing that one out though.

    To add something, does anybody find Schneizel a little too perfect in his schemes in a somewhat annoying way. I’m kind of waiting to see this guy actually lose big time at something. Nobody likes a Gary Stu after all.

  23. Posted August 20, 2008 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    The Black Nights were already suspicious of Zero and wary of his new buddies Rolo and Orange-kun. All Schneizel did was feed their suspicions and let them think the worst. Technically Schneizel was telling the truth Lulku did ignore the warnings about their new weapon and all those people were geassed. Because it was so alien to them they didn’t know what to think anymore, since their trust was never absolute it was a simple matter for Schneizel to appeal to their paranoia and have them reject Zero because they are no longer sure if they actually signed up on their own. Finding out that some of their old JLF comrades were among Zero’s victims wa a masterful play. Their comrades in the JLF were their buddies they knew them longer than they had known Zero they shared the difficulties of the struggle. They served the JLF of their own free will that they are certain, but since Lulu might have been geassing them all along and has killed Japanese to further his goals, all of a sudden the picture they see is a conflict between two princes in a power struggle where their lives and the lives of those they claim to be protecting are irrelevant.

    Again with the insults I see.

    Ougi bailed out Zero because he was he hardly trusted him since meeting Chigusa, since he wanted to believe so badly in the Special Administrative Region learning the Zero was the one who wrecked it was not gong to sit well. Again all Villetta and Schneizel had to do was feed his suspicions.

    Taniguchi is not going to take Tomino’s crown as king of “Kill ‘em All,” unless this turns out like Victory Gundam and the Black Knights become an uglier version of the Shrike Team. King Tomino is not dead, and will be the reigning monarch for a very long time. A Great King does not seek to be king he has the crown thrusted upon him. After all it was the fans who crowned him. Thus for your high treason of trying to help this Taniguchi fellow usurp Tomino’s throne and steal his crown you ought to be punished… I suggest you beg Tomino the High King of Kill ‘em all for forgiveness. Yazan is standing by to violate you. :P

    Schneizel is basically Iago-lite we are not sure why people trust him, but nevertheless they do and never see the knife coming. I hope that Lulu will turn out to be the Othello and when all has come to pass and Schneizel is dragged off, I hope he gets to laugh at the sheer amount of damage he has done to every one and how many people he has driven to their doom. Given that Lulu is the savior there has to be a real devil to test him. If anything Lulu is the Marty Stu, he’s the protagonist, gets all the girls, gets a lot of power, and plays by his own rules, in short the typical teenage power fantasy.

  24. Posted August 20, 2008 at 3:02 am | Permalink


    “Ougi bailed out Zero because he was he hardly trusted him since meeting Chigusa, since he wanted to believe so badly in the Special Administrative Region learning the Zero was the one who wrecked it was not gong to sit well. Again all Villetta and Schneizel had to do was feed his suspicions.”


    “Schneizel is basically Iago-lite we are not sure why people trust him, but nevertheless they do and never see the knife coming. I hope that Lulu will turn out to be the Othello and when all has come to pass and Schneizel is dragged off, I hope he gets to laugh at the sheer amount of damage he has done to every one and how many people he has driven to their doom. Given that Lulu is the savior there has to be a real devil to test him. If anything Lulu is the Marty Stu, he’s the protagonist, gets all the girls, gets a lot of power, and plays by his own rules, in short the typical teenage power fantasy.”

    And yet what does Lelouch have now. A Gary Stu doesn’t just end up losing everything like that because of his own actions. That shows character flaw and weakness. A proper Gary Stu is perfect in every way and is never outwitted or proven to have any shortcomings by somebody else. Right now Schneizel is the guy. Maybe Lelouch used to be the guy, but he’s definitely not the guy right now.

  25. Posted August 20, 2008 at 5:43 am | Permalink

    I actually have to agree with Kaoishin, as scary as that is. I don’t see how in any way Lulu is a “Marty Stu,” I mean the guy has lost everything. What girls does he have left? C.C., Nunally, Shirley, and to him Kallen and Kaguya too, all gone. He has no organization, no followers, not even a yaoi bait bro-con otoutou. The guy is also beaten soundly by Schniezel, and everybody hates him now. Marty/Mary Sue’s are characterized by everyone loving them and always winning, which is certainly not the case following this episode.

  26. Gawain
    Posted August 20, 2008 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    Hey maybe Gino is working for Ashford, you could see the tag on his shirt/ jacket at EP 18 when he is visiting Kallen.

  27. lilu
    Posted August 20, 2008 at 7:52 am | Permalink


    That tag on his shirt means that he works for britannia

  28. lilu
    Posted August 20, 2008 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    The last scene in the opening is changed in to the night and Lulu showing his Geass in the previous opening Lulu in that scene lulu is in the day and Geass desappairs.

  29. DeCulture
    Posted August 20, 2008 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    0_o Huh!?

  30. Miran
    Posted August 20, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink


    The Britannians have a superweapon that their commander failed to tell them about. Said commander is obviously completely off his rocker and basically ordered them to die for his personal agenda. Along comes the enemy, who’s willing to negotiate to give them what they want. They pick the lesser of two evils and get out when they can, because regardless of whether FLEIA is effective against their super mecha, if Schneizel wanted to bomb Japan into the dirt he could, and Japan is what they’re fighting for.

    Zero has proven himself to be neither a competent commander nor to have the Black Knights’ best interests at heart. The BK are basically stuck between a rock and a hard place and took the best option they had.

    Schneizel may not be the bastion of trustworthiness, but the entire Black Knight arc has been building up to this because Zero is not willing to be honest with them either, and when you spend most of your time telling your troops “don’t question just do as I say” and those troops are idealistic terrorist freedom fighters rather than professional military, that only works as long as you can produce results.

      Posted July 14, 2012 at 11:00 am | Permalink

      The Lesser of two evils would be the prime minister of the country that has enslaved the Japanese
      and exploded an atomic bomb on them, what a joke.
      AS evidence he presented was circumstantial about geass and he say he warned without Zero
      show the recording was ridiculous and about Lelouch not be a competent leader who would
      more appropriate, Ohgi that already proved as a useless and misled his Toudoh companions several times or that already proved a complete incompetent.
      And I do not think Schneizel gave Japan for them since the deal was handing Lelouch alive.
      Not to mention that they have not contacted his superiors on the subject of the UFN which can lead them to lose support if it is discovered that they did so without authority.

  31. Posted August 20, 2008 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    @Kaioshin and Calawain
    Just because Lulu lost everything doesn’t make him any less of a Marty Stu, the whole episode was meant for us to feel sorry for him to add some more tragedy to his character. Let’s be honest here a tragic past is terribly cliched and overused. More over Lulu seems to be experiencing what the teenage demographic experiences or in my opinion thinks that they have experienced. Lulu had super powers of sorts when the number of super villains is rather limited. Lulu has made other characters irrelevant, Todou was billed as a leader type as was Li, but in the end they ended up as just more muscle rather than really contribute to any sort of plan. Using the TV tropes as the standard Lulu is Darker and Edgier, with attached tragic, past, and uses his tragic past for some good old brooding and angsting. Sure Lulu has some odd traits being that he is a weakling, but because of that he is more like the image of the average otaku would like to be in Japan. He’s physically weak, but a genius, he has muck that drives women crazy, has powers that are pretty OP, benefits from many contrived coincidences in that his magic button seems to be keyed to many different things, and he is guilty of ass pulls from his newer “fuck wit teh ground tricks.” Since this is anime more often or not sis-con is viewed a s something positive and no matter what evil Lulu has participated in it is always some how justified and made to be sympathetic.

    For the most part Lulu has been this series Marty Stu, perhaps his time has ended, but in Code Geass nothing is ever certain and Lulu has won back the Black Knights before, he has time to do it again. Since the question is no longer if Lulu will save the day, but rather what trick is he going to pull out now to save his ass; we are at least with hitting the outlying areas of God Mode Sue Territory. Whether or not Lulu can pull out of Marty Stu territory remains to be seen but until we get confirmation that the realignment is permanent there is a chance that the status quo might return.

    Lulu is still the holder of a super power (ala a Marvel Super Hero) in a world where there is one left and there weren’t that many to begin with. Lulu has not lost everything, he still has Kallen’s loyalty (remember guys separation has not caused Kallen to reject Lulu before id doubt that this separation will be different), Orange-kun, his geass, Kaguya might still want to be his waifu (his one year absence didn’t adversely affect her love then I doubt it will now), Li and his cronies might still fight for Zero, and he is still C2’s rightful master. So Lulu still has some assets left. Lulu just lost is old power base he still has the Chinese to order around, and its not like Lulu couldn’t win with the Chinese mooks.

    Schniezel lacks superpowers and hasn’t had everything go his way, Euphie’s massacre, and the second coming of Emperor Wakamoto were not anticipated. What Schniezel is in addition to being an Iago-lite is a politician he didn’t get the Black Knights to join him he only cut them a deal to get what he wanted and give them what they wanted most, if her were a Marty Stu the Black Knights would be swearing their loyalty to him. It wasn’t exactly an ass pull since all that really mattered to most of them was getting Japan back.

    Besides its not like all Britannians are jerks, after all both Nunnally and Euphie were working for the Japanese the whole time, so maybe Brtiannians are capable of honoring their promises. Lulu can’t be trusted but that Schniezel fellow was trusted by both Euphie and Nunnally, so he can’t be all bad right? The EU was allowed to keep some of their territory after they surrendered and they still hold the UK and the Ukraine. Overall Schneizel seems to be somewhat trust worthy and is certainly more trust worthy than Lulu who lied until the end. So in the end it wasn’t a total ass pull, its not Schniezel’s fault that the Black Knights were idiots, but he did have some convincing credentials.

    We don’t trust him, but given his actions thus far he does seem most reasonable and is at least capable of honoring treaties. The EU is still there and Schniezel was supporting the Japanese SAR, so Schniezel wasn’t using hax (at least there was some ground work laid to justify the image of Schniezel the Statesman) he was being a slimy politician, after all I am sure we are all aware of politicians who can get away with anything and seem to have voters in the palm of their hands.

      Posted July 14, 2012 at 11:12 am | Permalink

      Schneizel used Euphie and Saz to disarm the Black Knights while Britannia dealt with the Chinese Federation, and he only revealed at the meeting and some half-truths or assumptions whether it is as reliable as a serpent in paradise that offers things without saying anything.
      He put only a part of recording speaking with Suzaku Lelouch omitting the rest Zero and said he warned but did not show the recording clearly showed that Lelouch had no reason to rely on Suzaku.
      But to be honest do not blame all the riders but Ohgi why he supported the word Schneizel after a few words of Villeta.
      The black knights are here exchanged pawns Lelouch to be Schneizel’s pawns.

  32. jOsh
    Posted August 21, 2008 at 6:12 am | Permalink

    well i think you’re all missing a few thing from the episode that took me by suprise well to start off with wat shockd me most was the betrayal of diethart the guy was originally all for zero conquring the world!!!! UNTIL that moment but i was in tears of laughter when rolo saved lelu Diethart was having to eat his words.

    But seriously although u might not buy it, wat rolo did was courages like seriously watta machine did u see that geass he was popping!!!!! he was in a Guren based on the perfect defense n he was destroying knightmares from everywhere and even ended up saving lelu like we’ve all hated Rolo atleast once but ive gotta say he pulled through this episode RIP ROlo…….

    lelu played it ko0l in the end, we all know that he isnt the 1 to drop an opportunity, and if he is going to b dining in hell so0on theres no doubt that the emperors coming with him its all about how its gunna happen!!!!!

    In saying that ive got 2 say Kallen has 2 stay on his side shes simply a freak wen it comes to combat i don’t know wat zero would do without her n it wouldnt suprise me if diehart came bak 2 cause i simply wasnt convinced with his performance trading bak to britannia…

    Now suzaku is of the chain i think his characters going to turn into the knight of rounds that died in this episode the vampire dude. suzaku is just gunna be seeking blood but whos now that the black knights are goooone???????or are they?????

    But seriously countn down for the next ep cant wait

  33. Neco
    Posted August 21, 2008 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    Well said,guys.I shall say some of your comments could probably be true.

  34. Nec0
    Posted August 21, 2008 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Well said,guys.I shall say your comment could probably be true.

  35. John Walker
    Posted August 23, 2008 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Well, Zero can now focus only on his goal. But, one little problem… The primary antagonist is immortal. Lelouch has to attain complete mastery of his Geass to kill daddy dearest. So, it’s one or the other. Now going to Hell side by side.

  36. chiKaKo
    Posted September 6, 2008 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    does anyone know the title of soundtrack that played in this Code Geass R2 ep.19 (start at 18:45, & end at 20:25)??

    the soundtrack -> slow girl voice with music box.

    plz help me..
    i need the title n the singer of that music, so i can download it..

  37. Posted September 6, 2008 at 7:01 am | Permalink


    The title of the song is “If I Were A Bird” off the first R2 OST. However, the version on that released CD has no lyrics, just the music. Maybe on the second R2 OST they will have the lyrical version.

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