Gundam 00 S2 – 13: The World Wonders

I propose another spin off the A-Laws Bunch. Imagine Bob as a meido…laughs will be had and we will be merry!

Every Kataron gun that is made, every Kataron warship launched, every Kataron rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those in the Middle East who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This region in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one Kataron Battlecruiser is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two solar power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. They pay for a single Anf with a half million bushels of wheat. They pay for a single Enact with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the “best” way of life, according to Klaus, to be found on the road the Kataron has been taking. This to me is not a way of life at all, in any true sense for peoples who struggle daily to find the barest of necessities. Under the cloud of their need for an offensive war against us, it is the Middle East that is hanging from a cross of iron. … Is there no other way these people wish to live? – Homer Katagiri

Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group named Kataron, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are Shirin (you possibly know her background), a few other former oil billionaire autocrats in the Middle East, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. They use to run things in Azadistan…Their number is negligible and they are stupid. – 00bama

Hey look something shiny…

Hilling walks warily down the street,
With the visor pulled way down low
Ain’t no sound but the sound of her feet,
Machine guns ready to go
Are you ready, Are you ready for this
Are you hanging on the edge of your seat
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I’m gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

After leveling the Seelian Capital and the Richierian logistics hub Lindt found himself in the biggest battle of his life the Kataron Fleet was moving in and CB was inevitably going to intervene to protect the Kataron terrorists. Nevertheless his small flotilla of six frigates of Taffy 3 was all that stood between 23 Kataron Battlecruisers and the Federation’s new ion cannon. Fortunately the engineers who built the ion cannon foresaw the possibility of a spaceborne attack and constructed a second gun that could fire towards space and Scrin that might be in the area. The Kataron Admiral Al-Musta’sim Billah VIII, commander of the Kataron Kido Butai, was an over confident braggart that fancied himself as a Yamamoto, divided his force of 23 battlecruisers into two separate task forces Center Force and Southern Force, believing that he had the jump on Lindt he approached with one of his fleets within the firing range of the ion cannon. Within minutes Al-Musta’sim’s center force was torn apart by the ion cannon’s first volley that destroyed and crippled seven of his battlecruisers cutting down Center Force to half of its combat strength.

How do you think I’m going to get along,
Without you, when you’re gone
You took me for everything that I had,
And kicked me out on my own

Are you happy, are you satisfied
How long can you stand the heat
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust

Sent to reinforce Taffy 3 was permit carrier Hilling Care who was Ribbon’s female twin joins in on the capital ship sniping. As Al-Musta’sim was bleeding ships and mobile suits Jihad-kun swoops in to save his fellow terrorists. Nevertheless Care boasted a healthy kill tally with four battlecruisers sunk after crossing Al-Musta’sim’s T.  The A-Laws add another battlecruiser to the Feddie Tally, but the arrival of CB brought the mass sinking of the Al-Musta’sim’s Kido Butai to a halt. Major Lindt was still unfamiliar with CB Trans-Am and the amazing thing it could do, was taken completely by surprise at the Trans-Am teleportation of Ptolemy. After a head long rush CB took out the ion cannon and the resulting explosion claimed the Johnston and Samuel B. Roberts, the Taffy 3 flagship. Despite the loss of the ion cannon the sacrifices of Taffy 3 resulted in the near annihilation of Kataron’s Kido Butai with battlecruiser losses ranging from 12 to 16 over half of Kido Butai’s fighting strength.

Bold sentiment…

So you want to be like Farragut, eh?

…and away he went. There’s courage and then there’s Kataron Courage…

Captain Care fought with Gundam 00 Raiser to a standstill though in the end Nena intervened and saved jihad-kun from another ass kicking. Back in Saji land the loser was begging Marie for any information she had on Louise, but by now Louise had done the smart thing and dumped his ass. Klaus and his kiddie meat shield look on with utter joy as the ion cannon gave one final meteor shower. Wild Bear looks on dispassionately as he knew what had happened, onto the stage came Col.Hank Hercules. Herc proposed to go on a quest with Wild Bear to do 12 labors that included:

His name is Hank, Hank Hercules.

1. Slay the Gundam 00 and bring back its O-Raiser hide.
2. Slay the 9-headed Gundam Seravee.
3. Capture the Golden GM of Alejandro Corner.
4. Capture the Boar Nena and roast her for a Feast with Prince Ali.
5. Clean the Billy’s Apartment in a single day.
6. Slay the Seelian Enacts.
7. Capture the Kataron Bull.
8. Steal the Flags of Klaus.
9. Obtain the Remote of the Azadistani couch potato princess Mariana.
10. Obtain the Haros of the Monster Ian.
11. Steal the Apples of the Anew, which were strictly guarded by a 100-headed Gorgon called Feldt.
12. Capture Marie, the guardian dog of Ptolemy, using no weapons and bring her back for conversion back to Soma.


Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the void of Death
Sailed the six frigates.
‘Forward, the Lindt Brigade!
Charge for the cruisers’ 00bama said:
Into the void of Death
Sailed the six frigates.

‘Forward, the Lindt Brigade!’
Was there a man dismay’d?
Not tho’ the soldiers knew
Some one had blunder’d:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the void of Death
Sailed the six frigates.

Enact to right of them,
Realdo to left of them,
Tierien in front of them
Volley’d and thunder’d;
Storm’d at with shot and shell,
Boldly they sailed and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Sailed the six frigates.

Well as space battles go it was standard Gundam fare in my book, given how the Trans-Am finish was certain much of my excitement died when they announced that (surprise, surprise) the ion cannon had a weak point that was ray shielded and required proton torpedoes to set off a chain reaction that would destroy it. Well maybe it’s because I have watched sci-fi shows too often, and it was cliché and unsurprising. Not being a fan of Lyle kinda killed it for me too as it was probably the Lockon acceptance moment, but I could care less about Lyle at this point. I don’t know maybe it’s because it seems to me that the CB characters are hardly developing that maintains my disinterest in them. Overall there hasn’t been much development for Lyle and he still comes off as a lecherous knock off of Neil brought back from the dead. I also had a sinking feeling when Lyle camped out behind vowels and placed his gun on Tieria. Haptism posed some good questions but got shot down in short order and got a to say Trans-Am. Not terribly exciting for me.

Flash’d all their beam sabres bare,
Flash’d as they turned in air
Sabring the Realdos there,
Charging an army while
All the world wonder’d:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro’ the line they broke;
Kataron and Celestial Being
Reel’d from the sabre-stroke
Shatter’d and sunder’d.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six frigates.

Gundam to right of them,
Gundam to left of them,
Gundam behind them
Volley’d and thunder’d;
Storm’d at with shot and shell,
While ship and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro’ the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six frigates.

When can their glory fade?
the wild charge they made!
All the world wonder’d.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Lindt Brigade,
Noble six frigates!

Even if Lindt is a good chief of staff and XO to Katie, without her and the rest of the A-Laws Bunch to help him out it was rather lackluster given how Lindt died in a typical cartoon villain fashion. I would have loved to see him get punished and redeem himself to Katie, but I suppose not. Such a shame really it would have been more fun to see Patrick bully Lindt for a week or so. Hilling Care was great and as the twin of Ribbons gave Jihad-kun a good run in a Gadessa, for a long range artillery suit Care handled herself pretty well, though she’s no Yazan as that poor Ahead was stabbed through the cockpit anyway. Still the lack of Bushido Bob or Prince Ali is starting to get bothersome. If Ribbons is so damn smart why keep his two best pilots on the bench? Its shame really and had they been around it might have been more fun than it was. Thing is Hilling and Lindt couldn’t bring nearly as much fun to this episode. I hope that soon we shall see Bob and Prince Ali back in action.

Whao sis-con too?

Jihad-kun had the close combat suit and yet…he needed Nena to save his sorry ass.

I am Hilling Care I am here to avenge my father…

The other problem that made this standard rather than stellar was Kataron…good grief these guys are useless. It’s just rather unsatisfying to see them as merely cannon fodder for the A-Laws, who are starting to suffer from the Stormtrooper effect where they can only beat down on Kataron, but can’t seem to score any hits when the mains show up. Gundam 00 isn’t the only one to suffer from this, but it makes me wish some where down the line the more even playing field that I saw back in the days of UC OVAs (8th MS Team, 0083, and 0080) will return. Right now GN Pixie Dust and Trans-Am are being used as the universal miracle machine that is rapidly outstripping Minovsky particles in terms of broken. I think that eventually with Trans-Am being the universal solution we might end up at a point where CB pulls out every damn time through Trans-Am and killing much of the suspense. The Shield bits I liked, but the teleportation was simply meh, I wonder when Ptolemy can do the after image thing too.

So Wang does want to be a fabulous as Ribbons…

Don’t worry Nena after Louise kills you she will FUCK Wang UP.

I suppose when those were the last words she heard from Prince Ali that dreadful night…

Lindt is gone but Hilling Care survived, so I guess that’s a plus from introducing people simply to kill them off seconds later. I have to say though given how Care was using a Gadessa squaring off against the most powerful suit in the series she did pretty good. Nena is back, and Jihad-kun still sucks as a pilot if he can’t beat Care with his pimped out Gundam 00 Raiser. Again the little traitor is hardly worthy of his Gundam 00. With any luck Revival, Stabity, Bob, and Ali will be back to readdress the balance of power. Saji is now useless as he’s not even needed to get Gundam 00 Raiser into action. Same goes for Princess Poverty, I wonder how much more time we are going to waste on them while they angst and agonize. It’s not like they have really been trying to develop Mariana as anything more than some couch potato with a bleeding heart. Saji just looks like a stalker now that louise has dumped his sorry ass.

Oh look Andrei seems to have some competition for Captain Obvious… Also it seems Saji is stalking Marie too.

Saji is slow to say the least…

I really look forward to watching Louise gut this bitch.

Well maybe things will be getting better now that Hank Hercules is here. I have no idea what his deal is but if he’s wearing a Feddie uniform and is a friend of Wild Bear I suppose Sergei is going to undergo some development. I hope he won’t be a douche bag and start a coup though. Overall given how Memento Mori was operated by remote the Feddies lost less than their enemies. Kataron basically sacrificed over half its fleet and navy in their bid to be useless, while the Feddies can possibly build another orbital weapon now that they know how to do it, let’s just hope that if they do they will try to cover up vulnerable ventilation shafts. I miss Louise.

Well no Gundam 00 next week though it seems when they return some one is going to sing…

Not who I was expecting…

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  1. Posted December 29, 2008 at 12:27 am | Permalink

    Lack of Louise made this episode rather lame :( And what’s up with people licking their lips all the time? Someone fucking feed these poor A-Laws

  2. Lawl
    Posted December 29, 2008 at 1:04 am | Permalink

    @Nazarielle: A-laws pilots no longer require food to survive, just battle. Licking their lips is just manners before the buffet known as 00-Raiser. I mean, just watch, Bob will go SSJ drooling mode when he sees Jihad trans-am.

    And yeah, though Hilling was decent, the show made no sense in some ways still that made the episode standard.

    1. Ribbons last episode sent out Divine and Hilling. There is no Divine.

    2. Lindt just went from trollable to plain stupid. I don’t care if your damn station blows up, you had YEARS to move your damn ship out of explosion range.

    3. The difference in skill for the Innovators is quite unclear. Hilling basically did just as good as Revival if you factor in the fact that Revival had to fight Trans-Am while Hilling didn’t. Stabity actually had a fighter suit, so it balances out. In other words, they are all mid-carders.

    4. You only get 2X episodes per season instead of the 50+ like Seed did, and you expect to fit in character development for all these random hobos? Man Sunrise is on crack, it’s like they believe they achieved Quantumization with their anime production or something. It really hurts when you got characters in ToraDora with more development than 00, and half those episodes are filler or random crap.

    5. No one really explained why Trans-Am on Arios+Ptolemy2=Teleport it just came out of nowhere which is really dumb. Basically you are telling me Trans-Am Arios has the same speed as 00-Raiser? Or is Ptolemy2 some godly power up? What happens if 00-Raiser fueled Ptolemy2 then? Would it gain 8 heads of Orochi and 9 Tails of Kyuubi?

    6. I don’t think a single A-law pilot was lost to Kataron. I mean, sure I don’t expect Aheads to fall over, but at least tell me you guys were smart enough to gang up on one of their weakest suits just for that one kill. Good thing these idiots don’t keep a scoreboard, or else they would’ve been banned for feeding the other team.

    7. How does Nena’s shuttle magically not get seen? Does it have a stealth mode? Cause there wasn’t even a stealth field like they did with Ptolemy2 in the early episodes. Are you telling me Jihad is going blind? Well that’s obvious since he’s a scrub, but how did Hilling not notice after the dust settled? I guess that kind of puts Hilling lower than Revival/Bring at the moment, since I don’t believe the other two actually made such a retarded move as to not move their camera to look around after they were safe. I mean, Hilling’s suit didn’t even go Beep Beep Beep like Ali’s did. Starting to think Arche actually might be more decked out than any Innovator suit out there so far. I mean, weapon wise, the thing is way beastlier.

    The good stuff is easily summed up.

    1. Bits.

    2. Using Ptolemy2 to shield your gimp gundams = aka strategic choice

    3. Slightly different design on Hilling’s Gadessa

    4. Small animosity of whether or not Wang Liu Mei intended to piss Nena off and make her to do her own thing

    5. That Hank guy.

    This seemed really long, but I think it’s a christmas gift from my standards that I’m not bitching at why the hell you wouldn’t blow up the stupid rail along the way and only aim at the damn Mori station. I mean, it CHARGES from the rail. You destroy the rail, it loses it’s ammo. I mean, sure CB can make excuses like saving ammo for the station, but Kataron? At least AIM AT WHAT YOU CAN HIT BUDDY. So so bad. And they made no attempts to say whether or not the ring was vital for anything other than Mori. So lul.

    And the whole flying along the railway playing roller coaster. That was retarded. Are you telling me you DON’T KNOW how to fly in circles? Even if the blind spot of Mori was small, it’s definitely do-able to ring around the rosy to dodge shots. But nope, it’s SOOO HARD already just pressing the gas to go FORWARD and for Lyle to SHOOT AT A STATIONARY TARGET WHILE ONLY MOVING FORWARD, that spiraling around the damn rail let alone destroying it was WAYYYYY too complicated. Oh and 00 could’ve done something about it too, but it chose to kill random grunts instead of save fellow terrorists. You need to write about that crusader. Jihad chose his country men over the mission. Revoke his meister license. NAO.

  3. Eldar
    Posted December 29, 2008 at 1:10 am | Permalink

    This entire episode seems to be one big homage to Star War.

  4. Posted December 29, 2008 at 1:17 am | Permalink

    Man, for that last shot, I totally expected Lockon to use the force and put the targeting reticle away.

    Also, Hilling is very easily distracted…

    I love how in the end Klaus is like “We did it” although all they did was sacrifice most of their fleet and offer 0 assistance to CB. Good job guys.

  5. bobofet
    Posted December 29, 2008 at 3:56 am | Permalink

    there was no reason for krapythorn to even be there, utterly useless….and i agree that instead of making this useless space fleet why no just send them out to find more planet in which the people can settle on pfft or even use the money for food and shelter for the million homeless people who were living in tent outside the army base before it got krushed!!!!

    pfft – dont get me started on 00gundam…

  6. Zentari
    Posted December 29, 2008 at 4:30 am | Permalink

    Louise will FUCK Wang UP ? DO want , in more ways than one.

  7. blind_dead_mcjones
    Posted December 29, 2008 at 4:45 am | Permalink

    @ lawl

    from you last comment it’s clear you’ve never spoken to a fighter pilot or a formula 1 driver, cos when you are travelling at 300km/h or faster, things like aiming (even at stationary targets) and cornering quickly become very difficult.

    and yeah, fly a 300 meter long ship with the turning circle of an oil tanker in circles whilst it’s hurtling along, that’ll work, it won’t throw the guys aim off at all…and make it so much easier to maintain situational awareness and not accidentally plough into anything.

  8. Posted December 29, 2008 at 5:40 am | Permalink

    Ummmmm….none of what you says has to do with anything “Not making sense”. They’re pretty much just your personal gripes.

    Anyway as usual here we have an episode with much to enjoy in a major battle that was pretty well choreagraphed like last episodes and featured quite a few new developments, but to nobodies surprise I’m sure, all anybody here seems interested in is sharing they’re gripes. Though at least the tone and style of Crusader’s articles has improved considerably as of late and made him more then the Jason Miao clone he originally came off as and more a person with his own styles and beliefs. I’d actually call it reasonable at this point now that he makes a clear effort (though not always successfully) to separate his expectations from the intentions of the writers, which I swear it seems is something few can or care to do anymore.

    Still it seems that for the frequent poster here there really is no way for this show to ever win in even the most miniscule way is there? Here’s to hoping that Jarmel guy puts in an appearance so that this isn’t just another one sided gripefest with the requisite cheapshot at the writers.

  9. rollchan
    Posted December 29, 2008 at 5:44 am | Permalink

    Hank Hercules. nice name. LOL!

    I still kinda like Quattro Bajeena, though.

    such good names Sunrise is creating. hehe.

  10. Lawl
    Posted December 29, 2008 at 5:45 am | Permalink


    Considering there fighter pilots and f1 drivers don’t have g-dampeners nor have superior technology that would make today’s ICBM and even nukes look like child’s play, yes I think it is easy.

    You can’t look at it from our own stand point of reality. Season 1 proved it when they showcased how the Overflag was the last of the suits that lacked pilot equipment to recover from the sheer speed/gforce. By your logic, Trans-Am 00-Raiser would have the accuracy of a blind man and turning ability of a bullet train because it moves too fast that any slight adjustment would screw over Setsuna. I mean, we are talking about JIHAD KUN HERE, HELLOOOOOOOOO. If THIS GUY can aim for 80%+ accuracy with the speed of Trams-Am 00-Raiser, you can bet your ass that thing has some rigged stuff in there so he can easy mode it. Remember Kira’s auto lock feature? Yeah, it’s probably 10x worse, since Kira was actually GODLY.

    Graham in his Overflag was the only situation where we saw “OMG THIS SPEED IS SO FAST AND MY GIMP SUIT ONLY HAS A NISMO BUCKET SEAT AND MUGEN SEATBELT” kind of deal. No other situation ever since GN-X suits or higher have people gone “OMG THE PAIN THE SPEED IS TEW MUCHIE” Your logic will never fly as long as they don’t address the speed being too much for the pilot to handle. Technology plot device > you.

    You also seem to not understand my statement. I might be a bit vague, but I try to believe everyone here has common sense when it comes to fights. Ptolemy2 at least took a third of the episode to fly in a straight line. It was also veered off due to the constant firepower aimed at it. If it circled around the rail for even 2/3rds of the time, they wouldn’t be so raped in terms of ship damage, and the fact that they were shooting from such a far distance meant nothing because ZERO SUITS were killed from their “OPEN GUNPORTS FIRE BLAH BLAH BLAH”.

    There’s also the whole point of you know, just slowly getting there and blowing up the rail bit by bit. You destroy the source of power, and that thing at most has one shot left anyways. It’s not like they were running out of time, because with the dire state A-laws was put in, there was no way they were going to fire Mori down on earth when their sacred weapon was about to be blown to bits. It was checkmate regardless of what strategy you used, it’s just CB used the most noob friendly but very inefficient strategy.

    And as for situational awareness and such, there’s no problem because there was nothing for them to be aware of. They weren’t going to get blown up by any single shot from the A-laws besides Gadessa, and if 00-Raiser could fail at such an easy job, CB would’ve quit long ago. The only reason they went balls out was because they intentionally took the damage and veered and baited out the shot. Funny thing is, it was neither necessary, nor logical.

    A-laws has shown itself time and time again to be very conservative, not willing to lose all of it’s forces even if it meant losing a chance at beating CB once and for all. Many times over. Episode 11 proved this completely as 00-raiser lost it’s trans am and had they just suicided all their forces in, regardless if the carriers retreated, they probably would have taken out the ship. I mean, sure A-Laws in episode 11 was kinda gimp in performance, but you’d think if they just gang 5 aheads on Cherudim the guy would go down. And don’t tell me they lost too many forces, because that would mean those WAVES AND WAVES of Gn-X and aheads nearly got wiped out by 2 gimp pilots and a stationary turret all while speedy gonzales was fighting their aces. That doesn’t fly with me just yet, though if this continues, I’ll probably succumb and believe ANY meister can take out at least 30 aheads before going down.

    ^That pointlessly long paragraph pretty much supports my statement that they are conservative. So being the conservative bastards that A-laws are, and having such a yummy and smart girl known as sumeragi, you’d think they’d take advantage of this like they did every other time with predicting how the enemy plays out, and just take their damn time and DODGE. It’s not like the rail MOVES, so if you set the correct course, you can just set an AUTOPILOT to do a spiral and maybe adjust it every so often when you get knocked too much. Even AIRPLANES RIGHT NOW HAVE THAT.

    Short story: If you were right, only Bob and Prince Ali could have pilotted the 00-raiser and NOT crash the damn thing in an asteroid field. Clearly this isn’t the case.

  11. Lawl
    Posted December 29, 2008 at 6:06 am | Permalink


    Your first line doesn’t make any sense. Vague general statements without support is like your trade mark. And you will reply back with more vague general statements.

    As for the battles, I don’t comment on it simply because I feel half and half on it. I’m not sure if you refer to others, but since you act all high and mighty all the time, I’d hope you can tell the difference between S1 action and S2. It’s very different in style.

    I’m not saying S2 action is terrible in choreograph, because it’s expected to be like this. But if you compare say Claymore fighting animation pre-Clare super speed to Clare obtaining that girl’s super fast arm, you can see a huge difference in quality.

    00 though does not decline in quality, rather it just pits fast versus fast. That leaves very little room for the camera to work with.

    I doubt most people here look at it from the view point of the writers. I mean, why should we? People interpret a show how they want to, because it’s their choice. That’s why there’s different tastes in shows, and different ratings of a show because of it. I’m not sure if I said this before, but I can totally see 00 being accepted quite well in Japan, though maybe not as much as Seed. The culture there is different, the masses that watch it have different taste just like the couch potatoes who watch sitcoms wouldn’t be so nit picky about stuff that we would.

    I think you should always keep this in mind, the fact that people are willing to even criticize so deep only proves that the show has enough foundation to begin with to let the viewer have a glimmer of hope for their own desires. Other wise, it’d just be another show that you watch and DON’T talk about.

    Like, at most I think the only things I left out that are positive but seem really pointless to talk about are:

    1. There was a CRAPLOAD of fighting

    2. Some of the “poses” each suit took within the episode were pretty damn badass, ranging from Hilling’s Gadessa coming out of the smoke to shoot 00 or when 00 folds it’s wings flying towards Gadessa.

    But you know, until someone tells me flat out, I try to assume no one here gets downs over internet criticism, specially when it isn’t aimed at them, but at a show. So if I hurt your feelings over 00 Kaioshin please say so =[ I know I Q.Q a lot.

  12. blind_dead_mcjones
    Posted December 29, 2008 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    @ lawl

    you seem to forget that even with the best technology available that technology is only as good as the person using it, & it still doesn’t change the fact that the human brain needs x ammount of seconds to process the information it’s given and then react to that information, even with g dampening equipment in their machine they’re still hurtling along at the speed of sound whilst aiming at an object with only a few seconds or less to line up an accurate shot and then fire with certanty of hitting, add to that the disorientation which comes from a thousand things happening at once and it becomes hard for one to concentrate with everything going on at once.

    and there was a lot to aware of, earths gravity, the orbital ring itself, the 00 risers location and the kataron ships flying immediately below the rail,

    in regards to setsuna, like a real world pilot most if not all of his actions and reactions are almost beased entirely on muscle memory, bet you half of his shots wre just snap shots at movement and he didn’t count on half of them hitting (funnily enough i don’t recall him using trans-am this episode)

    the aim of the CB’s plan was a quick surgical blow, which relys a lot on speed and directing all your attacking power on one target, considering the fact that they were vastly outnumbered, they did not have the luxury of taking time to manuever around and pick off suits and crusiers, it would’ve only incressed the chance of failing their objective or getting destroyed in the process.

    autopilot is based on coordinates given to the navigation system based on latitude, longitude, and altitude, (in addition autopilot is only used for going from point to point, all the complex manuevers and such are done manually) and seeing as they’re in space, where there is no relative ‘right side up’ autopilot quickly becomes useless. and like i said before, that ship CB uses is MUCH bigger than the average plane (we’re talking about something the size of an aircraft carrier and we all know how maneuverable those are), and has a lot more mass to it, when moving at the speed it was going at, there isn’t much room for error, and considering the craft had to remain stable enough for seravee to blow a hole in the right location, AND for the cherudim to snipe accurately, there’s even less room for error, as when your sniping, being a millimeter off can result in you missing by meters (the targeting computer would’ve also had to have been working overtime due to the constant change of distance)

    In addition, destroying the rail would not garuantee power not being sent to the giant death ray, and that ring WAS important, if you recall back in episode 5 of season one, it’s what kept the low orbit stations of the orbital elevators in orbit.

    oh and in episode 11 most of the suits were GN-XIII’s, and morale would’ve played a huge role, from kati’s standpoint they had lost the element of surprise and moral was low following the loss of a squad captain and two of their hard hitting units (gadessa and garazzo) if she pressed the attack she might’ve gotten locked into a battle of attrition and those always get very messy for both sides (look at World War 1 for a prime example of a battle of attrition) so she chose to conserve what forces she had left and regrouped.

  13. Posted December 29, 2008 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Loved the battle. Loved it. Have my expectations sunk so low for this show that I’m so pleased with something that comes off as so meh for a lot of people? I don’t really care. It was exciting and all that.

    Sure, GN particles and trans-am are broken. But I knew that coming in way back from last season. Does anyone really think that the Gundams would get weaker? Once we get past that, we can just enjoy the fireworks.

    @ Crusader

    I may be wrong about this, but I thought Setsuna was ahead in the scoreboard against Healing before Nena intervened.

  14. lilu
    Posted December 29, 2008 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    The battle was beautiful, but I felt it lacked something (most probably it lacked a decent, interesting opponent or something like that). At last CB has done something useful – desroyed Memento Mori.

    The most interesting thing in the battle was GN Shield Bits.

    Hilling is really an Innovator – girl.

    The new guy – Hercules Herculesreminds me of Aeolia Aeolia

    Captain Goodman liked Lindt so perhaps captain Goodman will be more ruthless.

    My guess: Hercules is going to be the leader of the federation coup.

  15. lilu
    Posted December 29, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    At last CB has done something useful – destroyed Memento Mori.

  16. Lowlife
    Posted December 29, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    LOL!!! I didn’t know that Ranka/Setsuna was a Gundam Miester!! I would have prefered a Sherly/Tieria combo though :P

  17. Posted December 29, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    @lawl: Yeah….so I was extremely rushed when I made that last comment so it was indeed quite vague. I wouldn’t read to much into it as it wasn’t really thought out but I’m satisfied with your reply so I guess it was worth it. What does Q.Q mean though?

    @ghostlightning: It’s not that the people here have high expectations it’s just that few are ever willing to give the impression the show ever did anything good by them, which gives normally gives the commentary a really one-sided tone. I never really take much of what gets said here at face value anymore though since at least one person isn’t even following the show on his own.

    You still haven’t told me what the show normally does so wrong by your standards though. You seem to like almost everything so it’s surprising. Though perhaps you’ve found your gateway in the battles or as the internet calls it now, the “pew pew pew”. You know ignoring the fact that sounds more like a cheesy Star Wars sound effect then a Gundam one, but memes is memes I guess.

  18. Posted December 29, 2008 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Lack of Louise is a shame. Combat requires more than 2000 calories a day, it’s not surprising at all. Also Louise is simply delicious… ;)

    Considering the average speed of a Feddie Dauntless I don’t think he could have taken evasive action. Kataron was too dumb to do that, CB only needs hax not brains…

    Arche is still the most badass suit out there, mostly because Prince Ali knows how to pimp his gear. The A-Laws are still spec ops they can’t go around fighting CB in battles of attrition, the Regular Feddie Army could, but as to why that hasn’t happened yet is another matter entirely…

    Jihad-kun plot armor prevents his license from being revoked it is hardly fair to Gundam 00…

    Perhaps, I suppose Midi-chlorians are now responsible for the flashes…

    The Force is weak with that one… ;)

    Yeah Klaus looked like a blow hard with that little statement, so far Kataron hasn’t helped any one but themselves. Well they lost over 50% of their fleet so that CB could get the job done for them.

    Like 00bama said they are stupid.

    Indeed comrade, indeed… ;)

    Some sniper feats are just insane, but given how Lyle needed the easiest shot possible doesn’t make him out to be that great of a sniper, but neither was Neil…

    Again with Jason…you know it might well be none of my business, but gee the guy took a break and you still can’t let go. Your obsession is rather unsettling.

    I said it was standard, it wasn’t badly animated, but honestly I was hardly surprised with the way it unfolded, you have to admit it was a bit cliche. Moreover Klaus saying that Kataron did something when all they could do was get shot to pieces was simply laughable. I don’t know about you but at this point given how useless Kataron is I can’t say they contributed much to make the battle exciting. Sumeragi vs Lindt was underwhelming, Sumeragi did not outsmart Lindt, she merely teleported her way out of the beam. Maybe it just lacked the Katie magic or perhaps the Trans-Am finish is getting rather stale. The question is not longer what can Trans-Am do, but what can’t it do. As battles go given Kataron’s pathetic showing and the expected Trans-Am finish it was pretty standard fare barring Hilling Care putting up a good fight. I wouldn’t rank this as one of the better Gundam battles I have seen, not great, not bad, but standard. I think Trans-Am is becoming too much of a convenient crutch for the writers, certainly there were other ways for Sumeragi to outsmart Lindt, but in the end teleportation won out.

    Besides lack of named characters other than Lindt made the outcome certain, the exhaust port deal just sealed his fate.

    They certainly have a way with names…

    Your right Katie wasn’t going to put her men into a meat grinder just to stop CB, though at this point nothing short of Prince Ali, Bushido Bob, Louise, and every Innovator being pulled together in one battlegroup could even put a dent into CB. Trans-Am makes it damn near impossible for grunts under Katie to pull off even a upset or even force a draw.

    Part of me wished that the rail would have been damaged after that, at least CB would have had to deal with some of the consequences same with Kataron. Still I suppose if CB is to look good they can’t be the ones to cause collateral damage. Perhaps that would have been too grimdark for a Gundam eh?

    Considering how Gadessa is a long range shooty suit, Jihad-kun should have had no trouble at all in Gundam 00 Raiser. The fact that Nena had to help out is sorry ass tells me that Jihad-kun simply sucks as a pilot. If it had been Prince Ali in Gundam 00 Raiser the opposition would have been annihilated in lest than five minutes. It’s not like the Feddies can’t get better though, after all Prince Ali and Bushido Bob were warming the bench again. That’s like telling Focker and Ozma that they can’t sortie because they are too awesome…it’s just not kosher with me is all.

    Your standards are low shooting up Kataron was like shooting fish in a barrel. Besides where is singing? :P

    Oh it was pretty, but it was also meh because Kataron was just utterly useless. With a name like Hercules who wouldn’t vote for the guy? ;)

    I say Jihad-kun is about Ranka level in terms of good judgment. :P

  19. Posted December 30, 2008 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    I think I agree with assesment of standard and that there wasn’t a whole lot of room for doubt in how it would turn out, but a fair bit more went into Sumeragi’s plan working out then what you call teleportation. All of the Meister’s played a part in making it work as well as a very surprising contribution by Wang Liu Mei. Seed Destiny wouldn’t have had something like this happen, they would have just had Strike Freedom show up and blast every A-LAWS MS to bits, waltz in and blow up Memento Mori single handedly like it did with Messiah or whatever that fortress Dullindal had was called. At least this shows that the 00 Gundam can’t actually do everything on it’s own like people were getting all worried about last episode.

    As for Kataron, can you really blame them for sucking when they were using 4 year old none GN mobile suits. That era of suits were never very effective against the previous generation of CB MS such as the Exia, and those suits are matched or exceeded in perfomance by the GN-XIII’s and especially the Aheads who probably have better and more professionally trained pilots then Kataron’s in them to boot. I would have been more surprised if they had easily matched them.

  20. Posted December 30, 2008 at 1:40 am | Permalink

    Sure some planning went into it, but if Strike Freedom has been replaced by the miracle maker that is Trans-Am it’s going to kill tension if all we are doing is waiting to see what new magical ability they can come up with next. With Trans-Am Lindt never stood a chance and Katie will rarely even pull off a draw. Again, Lindt and Care were pretty much doomed to fail, at least with Prince Ali or Bushido Bob some one is going to get hurt.

    You’d think that Kataron would at least have one squadron of good pilots, but it appears that no aces wanted to defect and their pilot program is worse the the kamikaze program. Even if an Ahead was as good the previous generation of Gundams, it wasn’t impossible to use an Enact, Tierien, or Flag against them. It’s a far cry from the Kataron air cavalry that saw off Bob when he last fought Gundam 00. At this rate Kataron is shaping up worse than the Shrike Team (and not nearly as good looking), that’s not a good thing and it hardly adds to tension if we know that they can’t do jack shit on their own.

    I think there were other ways to have added some tension to the mix, but alas it was not to be. You’d think that with their numerical advantage they’d at least get a GN-XIII or two, but they could hardly shoot straight.

  21. Posted December 30, 2008 at 3:08 am | Permalink

    @Crusader: Why would A-LAWS ever want to use an inferior mobile suit against Kataron when they did’t have to. They were trying to protect the Memento Mori, not leave open an avenue for attack?

  22. Mechabao
    Posted December 30, 2008 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    Given Lindt’s inevitable death at the hands of CB, they could at least have given him the decency of a ‘manly’ death instead of that little girly shriek he made right before he got blown to bits. :\

  23. Posted December 30, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    You misunderstood, the gap between an Ahead vs an Enact, Flag, or Tierien is not so great that a good piloting program cannot over come, Chobu did it, the Overflags did it, so what’s Kataron’s excuse for not training better pilots? I never meant to say that the A-Laws should use older suits.

    Maybe bad karma finally caught up with him. Sad really Zhejiang had a better death.

  24. Char Aznable
    Posted December 30, 2008 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Love the references to the Leyte Gulf battle you put in here. Nice way to weave it in…. But who is Nimitz here? Who is Halsey? And most importantly, which of these was Turkey trotting on water?

  25. Shippoyasha
    Posted December 31, 2008 at 6:27 am | Permalink

    In this thread: People who do not understand the word ‘pithy’ o_o

  26. kupon3ss
    Posted January 2, 2009 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Woot Leyte Gulf, but wasn’t Yamamoto long dead by that point? And where was the main seventh fleet along with the japanese bait carrier fleet

  27. Posted January 3, 2009 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    To summarize a good chunk of Crusader’s remarks, this episode’s battle wasn’t great, wasn’t poor, but standard.

    It was fun seeing a carrier ship get into the action, but you’ve gotta admit that it’d be nice to see Kataron actually make a difference in a battle other than to die in large numbers. (The writers just use them to make the A-Laws seem more of a threat. Poor red shirts.)

    There’s a lot of ways to introduce tension in a battle scene, but the Gundam’s over-reliance on Trans-Am isn’t one of them. I’ll admit that, the way the scenario’s played out, it’s practically the only way CB can fight and win against the A-Laws at this point. It doesn’t help with tension much, though, because it’s limited entirely by how much “time” in a scene is written to have passed. The end result is that it feels more than a little arbitrary. And when it works, it sort of feels like CB didn’t win the battle, Trans-Am won it for them.

    At least it makes a spectacle. That always works.

    And in scanning the comments, I was troubled by something:

    I always thought Crusader liked to wax philosophical much more than the recently bowed-out Jason. And I still don’t know why Kaioshin likes to pick on him so much. He’s not the only one who’s noticed how G00’s conflict seems to be less, well, stirring than it could be. It’s good fun to watch, but sometimes you notice a bit of missed potential in some episodes or characters. Setsuna’s relative non-development and Marina’s lack of plot importance, for starters. (Sunrise is willing to give them screentime but not quite ready to actually make that screentime meaningful to the action other than in a mostly physical way–for Setsuna, anyway.)

    Most of Kaioshin’s arguments seem to be from within the text of the show itself (basing arguments from information taken from the show), while Crusader’s perspective is mostly from that of the choices made by the writers in writing said text. Since the writers can basically set up (or contrive) any scenarios they wish within the text and even change it if they wanted, it’s more meaningful to discuss a show from the angle of its whole production and not merely on information within the show.

  28. pgod
    Posted January 3, 2009 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    1. 00 did not get his ass kicked at all… 00 was supposed to distract the gadessa, so that it didnt take out the potolemy. Also at the end 00 was ordered to retreat, nena just gave him some cover fire to do so easily. Lastly that gadessa was the gadessa “2” it was not the same suit obviously because in the last episode it was destroyed..

    2.If it isnt obvious by every time sergei has appeared in 00 s2, that obviously he is going to start going against the A laws and most likely the fed because he unlike the a laws and inovators is a human being, and has things like a heart, a brain, morals, and a conscious. Obviously new guy is going to tell sergei there are some people who are against the fed in the fed…

    3. the Arios had an enhancement and had the GN archer developed for it when they were at their base, we just havent seen what it does. The weird teleport thing may have had something to do with that…but i dont think it teleported I think it just moved out of the way that quickly. Obviously that was part of the plan cause they needed the cannon to fire so they had to let lindt think his plan was working.

    anyways good episode, good season, its been pretty solid so far… I dont know what exactly a lot of people are getting so worked up over.

  29. Posted January 3, 2009 at 11:52 pm | Permalink


    Well, I wouldn’t say people are getting “worked up,” mostly those not-entirely positive accounts of the show are mostly people who stop, think, and say “Wait, that doesn’t make that much sense.” Or “Hmm, that was a bit disappointing.”

    And when they write out why they think that way, sometimes angry fans drop by and yell at them for having opinions.

    Note that Crusader likes the show enough to blog it. And I like the show enough to watch it.

    But every so often, I see a sloppily-handled emotional scene or a missed opportunity for dramatic tension (I’m speaking of the Trans-Am system in particular), and I can’t help but point it out.

    And if you read the past entries on THAT concerning G00, you’d note that Crusader’s been writing through a “Feddie” character partly to rankle fanboys’ feathers, partly because from S1 onwards Celestial Being was probably the least sympathetic protagonist ensemble to grace a Gundam series since those hosers in 0083.

    Because if you stop and think about it, their actions in the first season were only mildly less deplorable than those of the Thrones. All of the sympathetic characters were the underdogs fighting for the AEU, Union, and HRL militaries.

    And in the second season, the writers haven’t made the A-Laws deplorable enough. Zeta-era Titans they ain’t. The use of unmanned automatons as weapons isn’t inherently immoral (one might complain that the use of any weapon is equally immoral), the killing of innocents is. The show, however, tried to portray the former as the real “evil” part. Which, when you think about it, is kind of backwards.

    On the subject of the “Chargin’ Mah Lazer” business, it was truly despicable that they’d wipe out an entire city. But when they targeted a military base that happened to have a refugee camp adjacent to it, I couldn’t help but wonder “Why is there a refugee camp next to a place that is a high priority strategic target?” The only logical answers were “The refugees were foolish enough to think the base there could keep them safe” or “The military personnel decided to lure refugees there as human shields to dissuade the Federation from attacking them.”

    And the only reason these points of Fridge Logic even come up is because the writers on the G00 team don’t spend enough time ironing out the logic wrinkles. I’m not talking about in-text, in-show logic, (for example: “Oh, it’s easy to explain away this particular inconsistency by inferring based on technical capabilities within the show itself.”) I’m referring to the thought processes of the writers themselves and why they made the decisions they did. (Another example: “Well, that explains the ‘how’ of what happened, but it was a pretty dissatisfying result because the script’s over-reliance on gimmicky technology over pilot skill or determination makes for weak drama, viewer connection, and ultimately emotional significance of the scene.”)

    The reason I regularly read Crusader’s articles is because he’s one of the few people who step back and point these things out. Sometimes he nitpicks, sometimes Kaioshin will start harassing him. (These aren’t always connected phenomena.)

    But it’s nice to know that someone’s clear-headed enough to step back, take but a minute to think about what he just saw, and was opinionated enough to blog about his conclusions.

    And I’m pretty sure the most textwall-worthy critics aren’t getting “worked up” over anything. Sometimes, we just feel the need to explain why the show came off differently to us than it might more enthusiastic fans.

  30. derickhop
    Posted January 7, 2009 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Episode 14 coming out on 1/11. check out, the countdown date is there. Should be accurate

  31. AJfebuary9
    Posted January 10, 2009 at 2:58 am | Permalink

    9 headed Seravee = 9 headed Hydra

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