Jiraiya > Itachi > Orochimaru > Jiraiya?


Long ago in the Naruto manga, we heard of how Orochimaru said that even Itachi was too strong for him. There was an ominous panel which showed a partially decaying forearm complete with Akatsuki ring on the the finger. At that point many fans guessed that Orochimaru wanted to take over Itachi’s body and fought with Itachi. But of course we know Orochimaru lost and had his arm chopped off as well. So we all wondered when would we ever get to see this ‘epic’ battle being shown in a flashback and finally Kishimoto answers us in chapter 345! Was it truly an epic flashback like we expected?

The answer is a resounding NO. Orochimaru gets pwned by Itachi so easily that it’s not even a joke. It’s not even a chapter-long fight, it’s just 2 bloody pages! The sannin genius Orochimaru loses in probably what is the fastest fight ever in Naruto, maybe except for the Tenten vs Temari fight in the Chuunin Exams.

I was expecting some crazy battle where Orochimaru busts out his S or A ranked jutsus and Itachi uses his Sharingan to counter them and maybe use his own jutsus. A chapter would have sufficed since I expected Itachi to somehow overpower Orochimaru as hinted but Itachi just looks at him and rapes Orochimaru with one genjutsu! A paralysing genjutsu with nice visual of giant stakes slamming through Orochimaru’s body, and when Orochimaru feebly tries to do a jutsu, Itachi calmly chops off that famous forearm.

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Now the burning question begets itself once again: why did Itachi run away from Jiraiya instead of raping him with all his broken Sharingan genjutsus or even use his Mangekyou Sharingan jutsus? Of course this question has been around ever since Itachi ran away since it was a conundrum when Orochimaru was scared of Itachi, yet Itachi ran away from Jiraiya….but Orochimaru obviously has no fear of Jiraiya and even thinks Jiraiya is a bumbling idiot.

Itachi himself said that at best they would suffer heavy injuries and at worst both sides would die. But yet against Orochimaru, Itachi could have very easily killed him with zero injury at all. After all Itachi says “Orochimaru, no matter what jutsus, they are useless before these eyes” but why say that to Orochimaru and not to Jiraiya? Why rape Orochimaru so easily but yet have no confidence in beating Jiraiya? Does Itachi know something about Jiraiya’s fighting style that we don’t?

While it’s true that Jiraiya seems to rely heavily on summoning jutsu variations which cannot be copied by the Sharingan, surely itachi is more than just his Sharingan. Even before he got the Sharingan, Itachi was already lauded as a super prodigy and of course he wiped out his whole clan which is no easy feat. I’m sure he has many powerful jutsus up his sleeve as well. But I really wish we got to see Jiraiya fight seriously; in fact I was expecting him to have a grand finale against Orochimaru but that doesn’t seem quite likely anymore.

Beside the lame deus ex machina explanation that the story forced Itachi to run away from Jiraiya, who do you think was lying or telling the truth about who is stronger than the other?

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  1. Lord Gabe
    Posted September 23, 2007 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    The answer is simple and it’s given by Kakashi when they are forming teams to search for the Akatsuki members that killed Asuma…

    In a fight between Itacho and Jiraiya, both would both be in to kill the other. They both would have to go all-in.

    But Orochimaru didn’t want to kill Itachi, he wanted to capture him, what would be much more difficult. Orochimaru would have to restrain himself and wouldn’t be able to fight with all his might, thus making him an easy pray for Itachi, who knew it all along.

    Long story short, you have to overpower someone by a landslide if you want to capture him, but you only need to be a little bit more powerfull if you’re in for the kill…

  2. kenka
    Posted September 25, 2007 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    for those of u who want to kno…Sasuke is gathering up all the strong sound projects to form their own “clan” to bring peace to the world.
    however, his goal to kill itachi still remains

  3. Michael
    Posted October 13, 2007 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    While we are left only to speculate on the matter. The three sanin are shown to be more than a landslide stronger then even other special jounin. And the three-day jutsu with the giant statue requires a certain counterbalancing element to it, so to go straight to the nine-tailed fox first would destroy it. That means that the Akatski would have to keep naruto alive until they get at least some of the other jinchurriki (i can only hope that i spelled that right) in there first, and Itachi and Kisame would probably be the ones stuck taking care of him. I would guess that itachi wasted his chakra so that he would have an excuse to run off. My other theory also includes him using this pretense, but it is simply so Itachi can wait to have a more entertaining battle when he finally decides to capture naruto.

  4. itachi
    Posted October 14, 2007 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    i tink its because jiraiya used to teach the leader of akatsuki, Pain .and tat pain mite have some feelings left for jiraiya so itachi didnt want to kill him.

  5. ramen-shop
    Posted October 20, 2007 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    itachi said it himself, when they were tracking naruto and jiraya, that kisame and itachi would both die if they attacked jiraya. thats why they had to use the girlt to distract jiraya. i would like to see gai fight itachi, by just lloking at his feet

  6. FeStealth
    Posted October 22, 2007 at 4:07 am | Permalink

    orochimaru seemed to be more specialized in genjutsu and “copyable” ninjutsu, meaning itachi has the advantage. jiraiya is probably more into summoning techniques and stuff to help his taijutsu, barely giving itachi, if any, advantage with the sharingan.

    here’s a concept, maybe itachi didn’t kill the uchiha clan, but was madaras, and itachi has joined akatsuki to keep a tab on madaras. and those whole sasuke thing is to prepare him to kill tobi should itachi fail.

  7. Worm
    Posted October 23, 2007 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    if you read the latest manga(375 i think), jiraiya has a toad form thats allows him to summon two aditional elder toads basically attached to his neck.
    i’m guessing that itachi would have trouble using genjutsu on three different minds, seeing as though he gets exhuasted from using mangekyou just twice. (mangekyou probably being his only option. after all, this IS the great jiraiya, one of the legendary sannin)
    ninjutsu and genjutsu are probably out of the question because as stated earlier, this IS jiraiya we’re talking about. so basically thats my reasoning.

  8. Ryan
    Posted October 23, 2007 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Jiraya’s the man…Of course Itachi cant beat him.

  9. Posted October 28, 2007 at 1:58 am | Permalink

    You all are telling a crap of junk

  10. Aquinel
    Posted October 29, 2007 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    Jiraiya will defeat that body of pein! also agree with the theory said by FeStealth maybe Itachi didnt kill Uchiha clan and its just preparing Sasuke.

  11. swiper
    Posted November 18, 2007 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    i think that itachi just tried to stick to his mission, he didnt want any interference so he played it off so every one thought jiraiya could win and make it look like he ran away, so he could get back to the mission at hand

  12. Lukos
    Posted November 27, 2007 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    That makes no sense. Itachi told Kisame plain and simple. If they were to fight Jiraiya then in the best case scenario they would kill him as well as dying themselves. He also said even if they had 100 more men it would not change that result. And someone posted it earlier and i agree with them that Oro didn’t want to harm the body because he wanted it as his container.

  13. Ryan
    Posted December 25, 2007 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Well to me it seems that Jirayia is in fact the strongest Sannin. One of the earliest glimpses of that is when Jiraiya was able to summon Gamabunta even when he had virtually no control, and could only focus *little* amounts of chakra. Even with this *little* amount; he was able to summon Bunta. That alone should speak volumes on the chakra capacity that he has. Also, Itachi was not but so weakened after he attacked Kakashi; the most he could have lost is 20-30% of his chakra; if that. Remember, that his clone could have used the Mangekyou eye; but it would have left it without suitable chakra to combat right? And the clone had roughly how much of Itachi’s chakra? A third. So even with Itachi at near maximum strength; he shouldn’t have had but so much trouble dealing with Jiraiya if he is in fact that strong. On top of that; Kisame was at virtually full strength; and even with this fact Itachi said that they would more than likely both die trying to fight Jiraiya. Also; Sasuke’s sharingan allowed him to automatically reverse Orochimaru’s technique; it wasn’t so much sasuke’s strength; but the inheret ability of his Doujutsu to fend off the attack; combined with Orochimaru’s *severely* weakened state. After which Sasuke absorbed Orochimaru. So using this as a basis; we can conclude that Itachi so easily fended off Orochimaru becuase of the sharingan; not neccesarily because he was so much stronger than him.

  14. Posted January 31, 2008 at 6:03 am | Permalink

    i think der is something in jiraiya that we dont know…. itachi said himself that he himself will have a hard time fighting jiraiya and they might kill each other at the end….. jiraiya can even beat pein one on one…..

  15. Superdude
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    man so many sharangin lovers… if only they take that pride away they could see clearly the reasons why things happened the way they did…

    as someone said up there, you need to over power someone to capture them. but if you were to try and kill em all you really need is to be a little bit weaker then them but with an intent to kill.

    so if it were on the playground, kinda like a big bully pushin the little kid around for fun and suddenly the little kid pulls out a bat and smacks the bully. though we know who would have won had the bully wanted to hurt the kid, the kid won because he wanted to hurt the bully.

    anyways, oro’s abilities tower over the other sennans, as it took two of them to fend off oro (without arms.) and plus jaraiya was always being bullied and beaten by oro when they were younger.

  16. Bharat
    Posted November 18, 2008 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    itachi didn’t fight jiraiya because he’s really a good guy and didn’t want to hurt him. that’s all..

  17. anonymous
    Posted November 20, 2008 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    i think since jiraya has sage techniques (which is far stronger than any of orochimaru’s jutsu) itachi didn’t take any chances of losing. but it seems that itachi really didn’t want to catch naruto since he wasn’t a bad guy after all

  18. edward2009
    Posted April 28, 2009 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Itachi WOULD have defeated Jiraiya back then if only he was at full power. There are many reasons why he run away from J-man.

    1. He wasnt after the Kyuubi, it was Danzo.
    2. He didnt want to capture Naruto since he wanted to delay Madaras rise to
    3. He was heavily exhausted from repeated usage of the MS(proven when he
    deactivated his sharingan after their escape)
    4. He didnt want to catch the attention of the entire village(Jiraiya’s
    caliber was such that he could have pushed Itachi to use his most powerful
    techniques – imagine Jiraiya summoning Gamabunta, and Itachi Susano-O, in
    that very place(he warned Kisame earlier not to overdo things as Kisame’s
    jutsu can be very eye catching)
    5. he was after all a good guy

    Reasons why he could have defeated Jiraiya:
    1. Jiraiya is weak in genjutsu, which Itachi is renowned for
    2. Itachi has techiques that are so powerful that they are named after
    3. Susano-0 can deflect any attack(also defeated Orochimaru faster than the
    can blink…

  19. 106me
    Posted June 19, 2009 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    You guys do realize that Itachi is actually the good guy along by now, right? I mean, Itachi could defeat Jiraiya, but that would ruin all of the palns he made.

  20. gwkalrod
    Posted July 5, 2009 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Itachi is a pacifist, he doesn’t fight unless he feels threatened, seems simple enough to me.

  21. aswin
    Posted September 13, 2009 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    Itachi was the good guy…he is working on his own for the welfare of konoha..it answers all

  22. Neko-chan
    Posted February 26, 2010 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    By now we all know what’s the reason, Itachi didn’t fought Jiraiya because he was there to talk to Sarutobi or Danzo, i can’t really remember now, he wasn’t expecting a confrontation.
    So, that’s all, but the mangaka really kept that question unanswered for quite a long time :S

  23. X
    Posted August 21, 2010 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    I say Jiraiya is stronger than itachi… but BARELY.. as you guys have said, itachi was really on the leafs side.. BUT, itachi would have to have given a VERY good reason to kisame for running away, and obviously jiraiya fits that reason, so itachi knew how strong he was, and he knew kisame was aware of jiraiyas strength as well.. also, itachi probably doesnt even know about sage mode!! and for the fools who say jiraiya loses because he sucks at genjutsu, thats the point, he sucks at USING genjutsu, not deflecting it.. and i think your all forgetting the summons AND the frog genjutsu!! it would be an epic fight, but jiraiya would pull it out in the end..

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