Mirai Nikki 17: “…this is forever, too.”

Dat doomed IsaacMiria MarcoAi romance ಥ_ಥ

What sort of asshole parent would abandon a girl as cute as Ai.

Damn, there ought to be a spinoff where Ai is taken in by a kindly relative who is actually biologically her nephew and they discover the wonders of being a family together before she inexplicably falls in love with him after the timeleap and they find out that Ai’s actually not a blood relation and they decide to get married.

Shota-Loli romance? It’s like I’m watching Kādokyaputā Sakura all over again.

Doesn’t anybody notice the woman with a head that takes up half her body mass going around and taking children away?

Notice how the situation would be entirely different if 8th was a man. All he’d need to do is exhale in the general direction of a shota/loli and the police would be on him like police on donuts (or onigiri? What do Nihon Keisatsu snack on anyway?).

Holy crap, now they could be in a Clannad sidestory. Ai in sērāfuku <3


When exactly was the last time school interactions were actually depicted realistically in anime? I don’t watch much high school anime, but the two that spring to mind are Amagami SS (the Tsukasa arc) and this season’s NichiBros (well the overreaction to girlfriends was rather realistic).

So more realism can be found in harem, comedy, and psychological/supernatural/horror/mystery; than in romance or slice-of-life. That sounds about right, doesn’t it?

When I saw this I honestly thought they were just going to mess with Ai a bit. Like maybe mock her, or extort cash, maybe strip her of her clothes at worst.

I sure as fuck did not expect this. Pardon the language, but I was that shocked.

-insert all manner of profanities here-

I found myself wanting to skip this scene. It was Tsubaki all over again, except that this time I liked Ai from the start.

Marco should have torn them limb from limb.

Actually no, he should have ripped off their genitals and called an ambulance. Let them spend the rest of their lives in agony, constantly debating with themselves whether they should commit suicide to end their own pitiful existences.

So I’m probably going too far, but I have a very low opinion of anyone who would inflict this sort of psychologically traumatizing violence on another human being.

I suppose, objectively speaking, I really didn’t want to know Marco and Ai’s backstories, or at least I wish they weren’t so traumatic.

Because I’ve always thought that the two of them happened to love each other in that sort of really devoted, if slightly unstable, manner. Now that their history has been revealed, it could be said that Marco and Ai were together only because of screwy events and don’t really have anything in common.

The fact that they’re still together does show that Marco and Ai probably have found other things to build a relationship, but I just can’t get over the implications that saving a girl from rape means that she’ll forever be in love with her savior.

tl;dr, Marco and Ai are awesome, but they’re no Isaac and Miria.

It would be nice to think that Yukiteru’s finally started on the path to becoming a Chessmaster or a Combat Pragmatist, but we all know that he’s merely doing what Yuno tells him to do.

Although there’s no problem with that combat strategy either, is there?

We all know how this is going to end, but I still have to applaud Marco for sticking to his guns and charging in head on.

It’s been a while since we’ve had a shot of Yuno that was pure femme fatale. La Yuno Nikita <3

Again, another I-can’t-believe-that-happened moment. Marco besting Yuno, and catching her blade with his teeth?

Sure, teenage Marco may have taken down a gang of rapists, but Yuno did slaughter most of an entire cult. Respect for Marco increase!

Welp, Yukiteru’s throwing darts again. Is this a sign that he’s finally stepping up his game, or does this mean that he’s episode 1 Yukiteru all over again?

That’s a sucker bet. Obviously Yukiteru’s at episode 1 levels again. Yukiteru’s like a Magikarp that refuses to evolve and never has the PP to use Flail. Terrible Pokémon analogy is terrible.

Well, it was Yuno’s plan, and Yuno’s plans usually work when Yukiteru goes along with them. And we knew that Marco and Ai were going to die at some point.

-deep sigh-

Somehow, I still can’t bring myself to hate the guy. I mean, he’s been trying to kill Yukiteru, after all.

Oh shi-

Dammit Yuno, you just couldn’t give Ai a clean kill, couldn’t you. You had to slice her neck just enough for her to bleed to death slowly and agonizingly.

DAMMIT Yuno, of all the Diary-holders, why did it have to be Ai to suffer at your hand?

Marco keeping it real as always. Is it any wonder why I love the guy?

Well he did defeat Yuno in single combat, of course he can say whatever he wants.

Might controls everything, baby.

Just for once, I’d like Yukiteru to confront Yuno while not being affected by adrenaline. All the times he’s done something relatively great, they’re only because he’s panicked or scared senseless.

Maybe insanity is good for Yukiteru too.

The pain is one thing, the shock is another, the disabling of his abdominal muscles finishing the trifecta that ought to have left Marco on the floor, bleeding his guts out.

And yet he’s still standing, and trying to dig Ai out of rubble. Marco is a man of freakin’ steel.

Marco could have destroyed the parachute, or tossed it away, but such an act would have been the act of a lesser man.

And Marco’s actions in this episode have firmly established that he belongs in the company of immortals.

Sighhh. If nothing else, at least they died together.


Uh, right. Yes. Yukiteru, there are more pressing things abound, like 8th and Ta-kun the magnificent pyrotechnist who are still up and around. Don’t you think this can wait?

Lolwut. Okay, so I’m sorry for Rea, but I have to say that anything pushing Yukiteru off the path of sanity is a plus point in my book.

That, and since tragedy = comedy + time, and it’s been 2 days since I watched the episode (yes I procrastinate) I can’t really feel anything beyond amusement. Bring on the Psycho Yukiteru please.

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  1. amado
    Posted February 8, 2012 at 4:52 am | Permalink

    7th was my fave, a bit above yuno since they tingled my romance signal more. the anime did a good job in making it sad and touching…

    • Posted February 8, 2012 at 7:09 am | Permalink

      Although to be honest if it weren’t for the romance angle, 12th would still be my personal favourite.

      Now if Marco had found 12th’s hideout and continued his legacy, that would have been c’est magnifique.

  2. Anonomyous
    Posted February 8, 2012 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    I believe they got together not because of the rape but because he was the one who helped her when she was abandoned and since they stayed together in the orphanage they are probably closer than the standard childhood friends.

    • Posted February 8, 2012 at 7:11 am | Permalink

      Ai obviously had a thing for Marco from the very start, but I felt that Marco looked at Ai more of a little sister – the way he hung out with her was very protective-older-brother-ish.

      But hey at least they managed to find true love and live and die along the way.

  3. il-Palazzo
    Posted February 8, 2012 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    What do Nihon Keisatsu snack on anyway?

    Anpan. Definitely anpan. Just ask yamazaki if you don’t believe me.

    • Posted February 8, 2012 at 10:51 am | Permalink

      Took me a while to figure out which Yamazaki you were referring to =____=

  4. ectholion
    Posted February 8, 2012 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    eh the who addition of the rape theme into this section was unnecessary, it wasnt in the manga and kills the who love thing for the AiXMarco because it raises the question of why they were together.. was it for love, or was it some silly highschool crush that became a couple due to guilt over what happened… Plus i dont care to spend time attaching to characters who will just end up as meat on Yuno’s blade.

    • Posted February 8, 2012 at 10:53 am | Permalink

      Hey hey, everybody loved 12th, and he died by Yuno’s blade too.

      I feel sort of vindicated that you think the same way; I was wondering if I was the only one mentally unstable enough to see implications that might not possibly be there. ಠ_ಠ

      • ectholion
        Posted February 8, 2012 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

        I think rape is too serious for this anime to keep touching on, i mean it is a very serious subject and this show just doesn’t depict it properly. In this episode it felt like the writer was like, hmmm these characters seem kinda bland lets throw some rape spice to make em more interesting. If you want a heart wrenching story about the evils of rape i recommend reading Bitter virgin that story made me cry at so many different parts in the story.

        • Posted February 9, 2012 at 12:32 am | Permalink

          Exactly! I mean, it’s terrible that as an audience, we’ve grown so desensitized to the idea of rape; but it’s also partly the writers’ fault for pulling the rape card every time they need a female character to have a traumatic past.

          I don’t think I’ve seen a male character having a rape-filled traumatic past, but it just goes to show that there are dozens if not hundreds of different ways to give depth to a character.

          • ectholion
            Posted February 9, 2012 at 8:12 am | Permalink

            um obviously you haven’t any seen any Yaoi…

          • Posted February 9, 2012 at 8:52 am | Permalink

            Oh, I beg to differ – I’ve reviewed Sekai-Ichi seasons 1 and 2 on my previous blog.

            And besides, practically all the “rape” in Yaoi is more of forced tsundere sex.

          • ectholion
            Posted February 9, 2012 at 11:24 am | Permalink


  5. Bob from Accounting
    Posted February 8, 2012 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    You know things have gotten bad when an anime uses gang rape as drama-device in a flashback and your response is ‘what, again?’ And the circumstances around it were just SO stupid. ‘I am not fond of this girl and her attitude to life. THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE SOLUTION!’ I was seriously too busy scratching my head at the Insane Troll Logic to be affected by the ‘drama’. Not that I would have anyway, I would have been expressing my frustration at the repetition. I’m sorry, but this series is shaping up to be one of the most ridiculous trainwrecks I’ve ever seen. I’m only sticking around now for the Experience. I’m sure there’ll be some sort of ‘I managed to stick with Future Diary to the end’ cool kidz club in the near future. Yes. Future Diary. It’s the new Endless Eight. Admittedly though, I’ll miss Seventh. I feel that it’s the first time we’ve met Diary Holders who truly deserved to live through this Game. Too bad they didn’t. Oh, and the only reason I’m not ranting about Yukiteru’s dad and his absurd actions is because the flashback girls were just on different level so I’m focused on them right now.

    • Posted February 8, 2012 at 10:57 am | Permalink

      Ufufufu, but from what I hear the manga’s loads better, so future anime peoples will simply refer each other away from the anime and directly to the source material.

      Oh, I had never heard of Mirai Nikki before this, so fear not! I will not be offended by people blasting Mirai Nikki.

      But if people blast Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex and 2nd GIG, there’ll be issues. ISSUES.

  6. DarkFireBlade25
    Posted February 8, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    I cried when 7th were dying ;_______;

  7. Ida
    Posted February 8, 2012 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    My question is how old Ai was when she was abandoned. Because at 5+ you should already know your own address, and at 3+ know the family name and the names of your parents. And then cry without abandon, wait till someone take their notice of you, and they are supposed to ask what is wrong, and take you to the closest police station who will be able to locate your family. It is _not_ a normal reaction from them to immediately take you to an orphanage.

    • Posted February 9, 2012 at 12:09 am | Permalink

      That… actually is quite an excellent point. But for all we know Ai could have been in the custody of a foster family and just dumped aside.

      Or perhaps Ai was smart enough at 5 to see her family circumstances and know that there’s no point in returning to a family that would abandon her again. But that’s probably a matter best left to the Family Courts.

      Alternatively her parents offed themselves after abandoning her. That would have been really blatant and illogical, but it would fit the circumstances.

  8. Daniel S.
    Posted February 8, 2012 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    It was really appropriate that they went down with the tower. It’s where they met, and where they got married. It’s a symbol of their lives together!
    It was a really beautiful episode. But, Yuki’s dad. o.0 Episode 16 made him seem like such a good guy! What the eff!
    My prediction: Yuki’s dad did not kill Yuki’s mom. Something happened that was not shown. The idea that the viewer would mentally fill into the gap, based on what was shown around it, is Yuki’s dad being the murderer. Nothing excuses the parachute-stealing though.
    Hey, if I get this right, it would be cool to get a mention. Just saying. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • Posted February 9, 2012 at 12:29 am | Permalink

      But they totally deserved to grow old together. I can just imagine the two of them as a little old elderly couple still kicking ass and keeping the young ‘uns on their toes.

      Kurou is slimy as hell, but he groped Minene. Say what you will, but he groped Minene.

      He did pull that knife, but I’m guessing you think it’s another red herring. Btw, asking for a mention is so kimochi warui, yes? ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌

      • Daniel S.
        Posted February 9, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

        How do you know it wasn’t another red herring (thanks for the new term)? As far as I can guess from what I’ve read, you did not read the manga, so I’m curious as to why you’re so sure.

        And okay, I apologize for asking for the mention. I will feel really great when I’m proven right, though. :)

        “Welp, Yukiteru’s throwing darts again. Is this a sign that he’s finally stepping up his game, or does this mean that he’s episode 1 Yukiteru all over again?”

        It seems to me that Yuki was a lot more badass back then. He ran through a minefield to stab Minene in the eye, and he saved Yuno from crazed cultists.

        • Posted February 9, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

          It makes sense as a plot decision to have Kurou kill Rea, since Mirai Nikki is about trolling people, and Yukiteru’s been all let’s-be-a-happy-family-again.

          If Rea was killed by someone else, Yukiteru could delude himself into thinking that his dad would be suitably shocked into repentance. But if Kurou was the murderer, it would shatter whatever delusions Yukiteru may have had.

          tl;dr, it’s just how Mirai Nikki trolls.

          In those two previous cases, he’d been exposed to massive amounts of death and bloodshed, with his own life on the line. Adrenaline gives false courage to people – in times of crisis, they might suddenly pull off “courageous” deeds, but once the adrenaline wears off, they’d be back to normal again.

          Which can be seen from how fail Yukiteru’s been which each new challenge. He still reacts in the same whiny, wimpy manner.

  9. gwello
    Posted February 9, 2012 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    The moment I saw the mom yelling at the dad, and noticed said freaked out dad holding a knife- i knew some serious shit was going down. Seriously, though – that dad is so horrible, he’s the hardest character for me to believe.

    • Bob from Accounting
      Posted February 9, 2012 at 2:51 am | Permalink

      Harder than the girls in Seventh’s flashback? Now THAT I find hard to believe.

    • Posted February 9, 2012 at 3:23 am | Permalink

      Out of the total number of married men, there’ll be a small group of men who’d amass debts large enough to do desperate things, and another small group of men who’d stab their wives – and there’s bound to be some small overlap between the two. That’s Kurou.

      Whereas out of the total number of highschool students, there’s a significant minority that would engage in bullying (which we can assume a 50-50 split by gender), and there’s probably a really small minority that would engage in rape.

      So statistically, I think there’s a higher probability of someone like Kurou existing – who would stab his wife due to debt problems; than of the girls setting Ai up for a gangrape and actually recruiting the 5 guys who turned up.

      Personally, I thought Kurou’s actions were quite believable, because he was desperate. The girls’ plan literally came out of nowhere.

  10. blub
    Posted February 9, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    I never read about the rape thing in the original manga. Was this maybe mentioned in one of the side stories? Or do I just not remember? Well, it has almost been a year since I last read Mirai Nikki, so I could very well have forgotten about it.

    • Posted February 9, 2012 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

      It’s not in the manga, FWIW.

      I thought the rape scene was fitting, TBH.

      Granted rape is an exploitative technique in writing to establish pity, but this is Mirai Nikki: where subtlety does not exist. Thus the decision to go with rape is quite consistent with the Future Diary aesthetics where only extremes are outlined, and events are dramatized to the maximum.

      Both Seventh diarists were abandoned by their parents, and rape is one mode of abandonment & Marco’s murder of the perpetrators is another. It adds layer to their relationship and ties to their end. Moreover, the depiction of rape in this episode wasn’t fetishtic like elsewhere.

      • Posted February 9, 2012 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

        I agree, but it still irks me that the rape is presented as the moment that made them see each other romantically. In those school scenes, they looked more like best friends rather than a couple.

        • blub
          Posted February 13, 2012 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

          Okay, that explains it. Personally, I think this plot device is a little bit overused. I have seen this pretty often in anime or manga lately. In my opinion it has a better chance at invoking strong feelings like pity and rage, if it is used sparingly.

  11. petitorenji
    Posted February 9, 2012 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Magikarp reference was priceless.

    Love your posts. Looking forward to how you bash the insane Yukiteru in future eps.

  12. Netto
    Posted February 13, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    All I have to say is, you are spot on. Just seriously spot on.

    The way your mind works parallels so many things.

    You should write a fanfic or even a whole different series altogether.

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