Muv Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse – 02: The Blood of Martyrs

I wonder if tank commanders also want to get closer so they can hit the enemy with their swords…

I have to hand it to Satelight they pulled a Halo Reach scenario in that I was left hoping somehow some way enough of them would make it out. Even as casulaties mounted I thought that Yui, Yamshiro, and Izumi would have survived and would soon begin the long road to crazed BETA hunters Alas in the grim future of the 1990s there is only REAL WAR and the outcome was exactly the kind you would have expected when students were tossed into combat. Many otome died this episode and many more grunts were crushed beneath a stampede of Tyranid biomorphs. I still find the Tyranid units to be horribly broken, but they are a weapon of little subtlety they have the numbers and then reaped a fearsome toll of Imperial Japanese troops. Sadly while the BETA aren’t pulling any punches the humans seem to be riddled with scruples and are conducting this war for survival as if they fully expect to have all their troops home by Christmas. Artillery seems to have a much more devastating effect than absolute defense lines that seem to be made of tissue paper, but I am not seeing Soviet style massed barrages. I understand that shelling cities is a hard thing to do, but unless the Americans are also hoarding the Fire Direction Center there should be no reason why artillery can’t be used judiciously.

If a college student with a radio and binoculars can land 105mm shells almost on top of tank platoons in WWII then why for the love of the Immortal Emperor do they tremble at the sight of their own big guns? For all this prattle about Sun Tzu, clearly they forgot that he who defends everything defends nothing. Also territory is meaningless you kill the enemy then the ground is for the taking. Quite why they don’t do reconnaissance in force to identify staging grounds to pummel mercilessly with 105mm or better high explosive shells is beyond me. I guess they just love their absolute defense lines, the troops maybe brave but the leaders seem to be dumb. Granted they are all ersatz fighter jocks, but come on where are the minefields, entrenchments, obstacles, and kill zones? If this is about the cost of the Emperor’s artillery shells then they should have put all those refugees to work in the munitions factories and cranking them out 24 hours a day. Every major population center should have doubled as a massive arsenal where the implements of war should have been cranked out to the delight of the Machine God. I guess they simply don’t enforce that commandment where they were supposed to be at work at the appointed hour… Perhaps it is time that those who are found wanting should find new purpose as servitors and servo skulls.

So yes the death toll was horrendous, Shimako and Aki did not last ten minutes, and Izumi and Yamashiro are eaten before Yui’s eyes. Their instructor actually had two eyes the whole time but he too had a taste of the pineapple salad and was soon KIA. I have miscalculated on this one, I had been worried that this would soon degenerate into a quagmire of fanservice but that has been averted with the massacre at Kyoto. The outcome was a forgone conclusion but the battle played out like a last stand that Space Marines would be famed for, only there was no victory against impossible odds, only bitter defeat. As much as this was about the nature of this war, it was just as much about Yui’s loss of innocence. On the one hand I feel terrible that Yuki had to see all of her friends die, and had to witness Yamashiro get eaten alive because she did not have the will to shoot straight. On the other hand this prevents Yui from ending up like a smug played out Jesus Yamato, and I look forward to her campaign of revenge as she speaks little and is only concerned with wiping out the BETA to the last ripper swarm. Yui will hopefully not get all self-righteous considering her first command ended in a complete disaster. Maybe the memory of it will haunt her and drive her ever closer towards madness so that she can suffer the Red Thirst and Black Rage as +2 Attacks and +1 Strength the charge will tip combat in her favor. If not then Relentless, Feel no Pain, and Fearless should prevent another abject failure.

I am not sure where the swarm moved on to in the morning but it does seem odd that they had time to collect and bury the dead. Given the multitude of dead BETA I am disappointed that the humans have not also resorted to biological warfare to save themselves. Unless the BETA have gasmasks there should be little holding back the humans from using poisonous gas tactically or at least as some form of defensive grenade. As much as this Laser Class is shooting down ICBMs there are still cruise missiles. For the truly desperate there was also Atomic Annie and the Davy Crockett. Speaking of recoilless rifles of ridiculous destructive potential I am disappointed to see the utter lack of dug in infantry fighting back with recoilless rifles, towed artillery, and heavy mortars. Granted they are comparatively small to the monsters they fight, but in an urban combat zone dug in infantry would have been a nasty proposition for the destroyers as infantry would have been best suited to flank them and hit them where it hurt the most outside of artillery. Outside of infantry the Imperial Guard should be looking to upgrade their tanks to Demolishers, Eradicators, Exterminators, and Standard Leman Russes. Adding Griffon Mortars, Basilisks, Colossus, and every Hellhound variant they can find.

Hopefully this will be the last of the time skips, with any luck all the new TSF jocks will be here to kill BETA, kill BETA, and KILL MORE BETA instead of being frisky. The only body count I want to see is the one made up of xeno corpses piled high as ad hoc defenses. Remember when fighting Tyranids go for the synapse creatures, and that krak grenades can now be used against monstrous creatures.

I still wonder why fortifications and obstacles aren’t used…

Stupid Laser class…I wanted Thunderhawk insertions.

Blood for the Blood GOD! Skulls for the throne of KHONRE!

So I guess “one shot one kill” just isn’t possible?

Good to see that their bolters aren’t useless.

I wonder if their next innovation will be chainswords…

Now that is how you PAINT IT RED.

Sadly Aki’s rampage through BETA lines was short lived.

The BETA commander took the “without number rule” for his Hormagaunts.

I am disappointed…someone forgot to set the melta bombs and left the demolition charge back at HQ.

I guess these BETA don’t use visual spectra…otherwise they all should have turned off their lights.

I still don’t understand how they managed a resupply drop? Orbital Drop maybe?

I suppose flamethrowers were out of the question…

This is why you need flamers to burn the hated xenos scum.

Well at least you can’t possibly miss.

Somehow I don’t think that Teddy will be speaking softly despite carrying a big stick.

Perhaps it is time Tom Cruise stepped up to go on the Highway to the Dangerzone…

Very good neophytes, don’t forget that the corpses provide a +5 cover save.

Now if only we had Death Company and Death Company Dreadnoughts…

Don’t forget to use your krak grenades against monstrous creatures…

What happened to “And they shall know no fear”? Oh right they’re vanilla marines…

It’s a little late for some of your friends…

I like big guns and I cannot lie, you other brother’s can’t deny because when a ship floats in with 18″ Guns in your face you get sprung…

I am saddened that these monks are not warrior monks. Whatever happened to achieving the pure land free of the heretical Tyranids?

Damn you should have spent some points on plasma cannons…

IN YOUR FACE!

Someone call for an exterminator?

So he was just a pirate cosplayer…

None can stay his wrath.

That’s not good, she would not have left it…willingly.

Very bad, she must have been eaten by a lictor…

Poor girl…

I hope these BETA can’t hear either.

Granted shooting in the dark is hard…

I am sure anyone would have wanted the same.

Yui, you just can’t miss in those situations…

I hope that we will be seeing many new TSFs.

Still that just means you all have to sell your lives more dearly than before.

At least they didn’t eat everyone…

I hope the kid excels in the White Shield Corps, other wise WS 2 and BS 2 means meat shield…

It’s okay you got the Sole Survivor back ground…though I personally would have chosen to be the Butcher of Torfan.

From today on, may you also suffer from the Red Thirst and the Black Rage.

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60 Comments

  1. yf19ex
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    Oh the tactics discussions are going crazy on the boards. We could break this thing down line by line of what went wrong and what could have been done. Its the best part to discuss about what ifs. Sufficient to say I will chalk it up to character development and the need to show that this is truly a desperate situation the world is facing. How humanity has held out 40 years against the BETA is amazing to me. Assuming most of them are stuck on the Eurasia continent and because Canada got Nuked before they could make a NA / Central /SA landing keeps the US at the top in weapons development. But even in this universe, the world is still not truly United. Everyone is still keeping cards to their chest and waiting to see who goes next. I love it!

    • Crusader
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

      I’ll let this one slide because being the capital of GLORIOUS NIPPON and all the officers seemed to be afraid to aggravate the politicians. There should have been an evacuation well before, fortifications should have been set up, kill zones should have been prepared, the infantry should have been digging in within the sewer system, mines should have been laid, and the artillery should have been established in mutually supporting fire bases.

      I would have thought that against a biological terror humanity would have started using poison gas, fire, and any weaponize-able mutagen to fight back. Suffice to say I am a bit disappointed by the utter lack of napalm. Still those lost 40 years may be sorely missed in the years to come.

      • yf19ex
        Posted July 9, 2012 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

        “Thats worth a try but we don’t even know if it will effect them” -D.Hicks

        On that end, what truly negates much of the world power is the lack of air power due to the Laser Class. When you can’t even get in range with a plane, your left with conventional deployment of munitions. I can understand how battleship guns can still be effective. Can you truly stop a 2000 plus pound shell of AP and HE traveling at several thousand feet per second? (Unless we are talking energy shields) No amount of modern countermeasures could stop that shell.

        But at the same time, these mechs should have developed better AP ammo for their conventional weapons. (and also unconventional or down right WMD’s) I see them in this episode deploying whole crates of rifles for resupply. Heck with that, load me down with mags and grenades. But these Destroyer class seem to have the armor of a battleship and traveling in a huge wall coming at you at high speed with laser class at their back. You may be able to get above them only to get shot out of the sky.

        Someone had also mentioned these things also seem to travel underground. Hard to place a mine field where you don’t know where the enemy will show up.

        These things have numbers and have no problems throwing thousands of them at earth. Eventually (as seen) someone is going to run out of ammo…

        • fragb85
          Posted July 9, 2012 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

          Unfortunately the Destroyer frontal armor is hardness 15 on the Moh’s scale so its practically impenetrable. Standard military procedure for them is to get behind the unarmored back where a few round from the 36mm can kill it easily. At that point though it looked like the battle had gone to hell and the soldiers were already panicking.

          TSF are still the most effective weapon against the BETA. Just this episode alone, a bunch of cadets with incomplete training were able to take down dozens of them with old modified F-4′s. The BETA’s strength has always been its sheer force of numbers, any major engagement against them is at 1000 to 1 odds.

          • OTH
            Posted July 10, 2012 at 12:52 am | Permalink

            Well, it’s not quite impenetrable. There were cases shown in the VN where the 120mm and other large caliber weaponry was capable of penetrating the shell with repeated focused fire. Still, yeah, the 36mm is pretty much useless. You’d think if they weren’t going to boost out of there, they’d at least use the 120mm.

          • Whatsht
            Posted July 10, 2012 at 2:14 am | Permalink

            I would have placed explosives in the base, if the base is lost, we just blow it up, possibly taking out some of the BETA. If they are gonna take us out, we’ll bring them along for our trip to the afterlife.

          • fragb85
            Posted July 10, 2012 at 3:44 am | Permalink

            Standard TSF equipment have an S-11 in the crotch pieces for that exact purpose. Its very powerful and its usually used when a pilot has no way out and intends to take some BETA with them. It can also be detached and used as a conventional explosive charge.

            I’m not sure whey they weren’t used though, either it wasn’t the standard back in 1998 or the cadets didn’t know how to use them.

          • Crusader
            Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

            Even if the armor is thick I would assume that if you generated enough concussive force the squishy parts behind it can still be negated. Also what prevents them from using HEAT or shaped charge attacks to try and negate the thick armor? Even the nigh indestructible Tiger I could be affected by 152mm HE, the Soviets discovered that even if there was no penetration the concussive force was sufficient to kill the crew.

            Also why the lack of mines or any attacks that aim for the legs? Mobility kills would be a viable solution I would think, but it doesn’t seem to happen.

            I just hope that TSFs aren’t too over powering otherwise it would render combined arms moot.

        • Crusader
          Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

          Certainly in the history of warfare armor has never surpassed penetrating power, still I hope that these humans are busy working on a solution. HE shells don’t need to penetrate to kill the concussive force alone can kill without the shrapnel.

          I studied biology for years and assuming that these are carbon based life-form unless their metabolisms is powered by magic they need to breathe something. No living creature is immune to disease, the key is finding an ideal vector. If it is a living creature then it can have the life throttled out of it.

          They go underground too? Don’t tell me they have psychic power too… Man these Tyranids are broken, hopefully the humans can bring up some Vindicators to turn the bugs into paste.

  2. MarigoldRan
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    “Seven heartbeats, for even though the beasts died in untold thousands before their eyes, all the world beyond was Sranc. And far more creatures heaved and scrambled between the circuits of their destruction than within….

    And the Horde howled, a noise so savage, raised in so many ulcerated throats, that many Men dropped their weapons to clasp their ears. A cry that pinched the nape of even the bravest man’s neck…

    And sent the very landscape rushing.” (Second Apocalypse Series by Robert Bakker)

    • Crusader
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

      It seems that DOOM goes with these Tyranids…

      At least the humans tried to stand and fight.

  3. CobaltPhi
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Regarding naval bombardment, the typical BETA response to rains of shells as depicted in the original VN basically amounts to mass pinpoint laser fire sweeping around and intercepting most of them, which deployment of heavy metal dust clouds alleviates a bit but not much. I’m not sure why they failed to depict that this episode. Probably for the same reason they depicted the lasers as PEW PEW bolts instead of the sustained beams they were in said VN.

    • Crusader
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

      Hopefully they will get more consistent as weeks go by. If the Laser Class is such a shut down unit why haven’t the humans focused more on negating their effectiveness? Given their small size and vulnerability why don’t they try and use infantry to infiltrate BETA lines to kill them off? Given how Yui was able to go largely unnoticed I would imagine a sniper team would be able to infiltrate BETA lines to do forward recon, sabotage, and attack supporting elements.

      Is it just a lack of penetrating power or are BETA more alert than we have been led to believe?

  4. fragb85
    Posted July 9, 2012 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    There were some inconsistencies compared to the VN

    -The Laser-Class fire LASERS. They’re supposed to travel at the speed of light. Also they are supposed to burn armor not pierce. A standard TSF is supposed to have about 1-2 seconds to get out of the way before the LASER burns through the armor. Its weird because the LASER class were portrayed accurately in the first episode when the spy plane was downed but here they act like Gundam Beams.

    To answer your questions:
    -Artillery strikes are pretty much ineffective against BETA in the long run since BETA Hives are mostly underground with tunnels that stretch for miles in all directions. Also Laser BETA can shoot down artillery strikes so any mass concentration of Laser BETA makes artillery ineffective.

    -Resupply drops came from the Earth Orbital Fleet. Getting forces to space is costly though, so supply drops are usually done during major operations done like attacking a BETA hive. They are also responsible for deploying Orbital Divers which are TSF inside pods that have limited LASER resistance. This pods crash with such force that allows them to infiltrate a BETA Tunnel. Such missions have a 30% survival rate and any Orbital Diver badass enough to survive a mission has the honor of having the title “Chicken Divers” (yes really).

    As for the Mecha:
    -The instructors mecha is the Type-94 Shiranui, the first Japanese Domestic TSF. It has a complex frame that allows it to be more maneuverable and effective in combat.. Unfortunately this makes the Shiranui complex to pilot and are usually reserved for expert plots. Another problem is that the frame makes modification impossible so its unable to adapt to new technologies.

    -The mecha to come at the end is the Type-00 Takemikazuchi. which is pretty much one of the best TSF’s around, sporting incredible speed maneuverability and strength. Its also expensive to produce and maintain meaning its pretty much for exclusive use for the Royal Guard.

    • CobaltPhi
      Posted July 9, 2012 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

      As for lasers, as mentioned in Isumi’s briefing what happens is that the laser burns through the ablative coating taking about three seconds to do so, but once the ablative coating is burned through the amount of energy the laser puts out is sufficient to cause an instant plasma explosion on contact with the underlying armor, as opposed to melting or burning through. So assuming they didn’t have ablative coating this episode for whatever reason, an immediate explosion upon being shot by lasers is not entirely inaccurate.

      Now if only they had made them actual sustained beams instead of turbolaser bolts.

      As for the Type-94, that was an upgrade modification of the Type-94, the Type-94-1C. Though yeah, they couldn’t do very much in the way of modification without throwing off the parts performance balance etc, which is why the XFJ project had to rebuild it from the ground up.

      Also it’s not so much that it’s exclusive for the Imperial Royal Guards due to being expensive to maintain, as it is that after the Imperial Guards requisitioned and started using them, the Imperial Japanese Army took a look at adopting it then rejected it for being expensive to produce and maintain.

      • Crusader
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

        It’s kind of sad that even with the apocalypse coming politicians are still penny pinching. I would have hoped that in a war for survival that cost would be the last thing considered in weapons procurement. Is it that some people think that this thing will just blow over?

    • Crusader
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

      Man does the Laser class also make toast? I hope the humans are doing every thing they can to negate them, it seems to me that if they could take the Laser class out of it, then the advantage would go back to the humans.

      Even if blanket barrages aren’t possible, surely there is the chance to break up staging areas and delay BETA forces from linking up. Have the humans lost all sense of timing in battle? Even if the Laser Class can dominate, can’t they interdict them? It just seems to me that with all these defense lines that the humans have forgotten how to raid and sabotage.

      At least this orbital fleet will mean orbital drops, it’s probably going to be more bloody than the standard Space Marine drop, but I will take what I can get. Hopefully the humans are busy developing bombardment cannon, vortex bombs, and melta-torpedoes.

      Is there any reason why the humans haven’t tried finding a biological solution since they seem incapable of finding the game changing technological solution?

      • fragb85
        Posted July 11, 2012 at 3:37 am | Permalink

        -LASER class in fact are the number-one priority targets in battle and they do a few weaknesses actually. They have a long recharge time (again the anime seems to have derped on this). Standard Laser-class have an interval of 12 seconds per shot while the Heavy Laser class have 36 seconds. The biggest noticeable weakness however is that they NEVER EVER hit allies. So TSF forces generally getting in between a Laser BETA and another BETA will keep them safe from getting shot. Obviously, there won’t be any shortage of cover in a major battle. You can refer to this chart to learn more about the BETA.

        -You know whats one of most important step of raid/sabotage? Insertion of squadrons. Which they can’t do because air power is non-existent. BETA are also attracted to complex technology. Might as well order soldiers into pointless deaths.

        -Such biological solutions can’t be done because humanity knows jack about the nature of the BETA. Its a major plot point that the BETA are a mystery. There is the Alternative Project(TITLE DROP!) that’s being run to find out exactly that. I could tell you what they are but those are major spoilers for the VN and I doubt TE will be touching that subject anyway.

        • Crusader
          Posted July 11, 2012 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

          Man its kind of disappointing that there are some consistency issues at work here, still hopefully the humans will have a better way of grabbing the BETA by the belt so that the Lasers can’t do too much damage much like how the NVA and VC troops got in real close with American and SETO troops to negate artillery and air strikes.

          Squad insertion doesn’t have to be via air drop, in the WWI days you could still do it on foot and even in WWII you could drive into the desert and try establish small bases for raiders to strike out from. Also what is the threshold for complex technology? Because if it is transistors they can always go back to vacuum tubes and punch cards…

          Fundamentally though if it is a carbon based life form there has to be some similarity in biology, tissue types, analogous organs. Much of the short comings result in sci-fi creating indestructible monsters is the lack of attention paid to basic biology. Even if I am dissecting a species for a first time I will know that it has to breath something, and have some form of circulatory system, nervous system, etc. Life as we know it has plenty of common biological traits. It’s fine if they don’t want a biological solution to be found but fundamentally though if a technological solution isn’t apparent the natural course would be a biological one if humanity really does want to survive the BETA invasion.

          Having studied biological warfare it is easier to create something that kills than something that cures. Even if they have noting but cadavers the humans should be able to discern plenty (like CSI) how it died, organ tolerances, bone density, best guess of lung capacity. Also if you have enough DNA to work with and if biotechnology is what it is now you can create a designer virus to attack specific organs and organ systems. The thing about viruses is that they tend to mutate on their own so in theory at least you can co-opt the herpes virus to mess with BETA biology. Still I guess the limiting factor would be human fears that their designer virus would jump back and hit humans just as well.

          Still if they don’t want a lethal strain of E. Coli to kill off the BETA, I suppose I’ll stop barking up that tree even if it would be a viable solution.

  5. Sober!man
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    To add to the above, humanity do use land mines, fortification and kill zones. There is a reason why humanity have lasted as long as 30 years so far. The anime hasn’tdone a good job explaining things due to lack of airtime but For example the following is taken from a translated synoposis/summary of another official Muvluv novel. ” schwazemarken” that i hope one day can get an anime adaption as well.

    “The story starts on Januarry 10th 1983. After the disastrous defeat suffered by the red army and the GDR(German democratic republic)’s east German army(NPA-national people’s Army) by the BETA at Bialystok in 1978, the NPA have began a gradual systematic retreat out of Poland as the Beta emerging from the Minsk Hive continued their relentless push both east and west cutting off Easts Germany and the Soviet Union. Within a year, Poland is lost to the ravaging Alien invaders. During that time the NPA have began construction of multiple “Fortress” like defense installations and Bunker networks along the entire Oder–Neisse line on the Poland and GDR border. With the advantage of easily defensible terrain, heavy artillery , close air-support, per-sighted kill zones, Extensive minefields, man made obstacles/traps and interlocking arcs of fire for all Defense installations along the Oder–Neisse line, the GDR claimed to its people that such defenses are impregnable and that No BETA shall ever cross its lines. Though of course when faced with the astronomical numbers of BETA such defenses are far from perfect and would only be a matter of time before its imminent collapse. So now, 4 years after the fall of Poland and the completion of the oder-Neisse defense line, another battle rages on as its defender fight to repel another BETA wave. If the Oder–Neisse line were to fall the GDR would lose several major factory complexes, power plants and coal mines- essentially the life blood of the GDR’s wartime economy and social stability. Not to mention Berlin’s proximity but needless to say should the NPA fail here at the Oder–Neisse line the lives of more than 1 million east German citizens would be at stake and in all likely hood the collapse of the east German government as well. For the NPA this is a No Fail mission. ”

    basically it come down to battle of attrition. sure you can mine the land and funnel choke points but there are simply to many Betas, sooner or later the defender will no longer be able to replenish their minefields and repair their walls because the BETA simply keep coming.

    • Crusader
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

      Wow, I guess there is hope for humanity after all, hopefully this will be depicted. It would amuse me greatly if the BETA were caught in the meat grinder that is trench warfare. I am mildly disappointed though the GDR is still around but the Stasi seem to be sleeping for this fight… well maybe they are too busy spying on their own instead of the enemy…

      Given the near limitless numbers of BETA how come the humans don’t redouble their efforts to hit them where they live? Moreover since BETA are biological why haven’t they tried to come up with a genophage of their own? I’d imagine that these monsters have to be birthed some how? Can’t they used DDT and Agent Orange to screw with their gestation? Also why the lack of napalm?

      • LoliconSuspect
        Posted July 11, 2012 at 5:20 am | Permalink

        BETA survived the environments of Mars and Moon. I doubt things like napalm would be effective. Furthermore capturing specimen isn’t easy. And the last: humans interact mostly with combat type BETA. They have only basic info on hives and their ecosystem. Many kinds BETA are still waiting to be discovered…

        Creating “KILL ALL BETA, 100% GUARANTEE!” would be difficult.

  6. Golos
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 1:42 am | Permalink

    “Also Laser BETA can shoot down artillery strikes so any mass concentration of Laser BETA makes artillery ineffective.”

    Use lots of decoys mixed with nuclear grenades or other grenades with high explosive power against them.
    Even they have a limit to what they can shoot down in a short time span.

    • CobaltPhi
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 7:38 am | Permalink

      Well, they prioritize targets for lasing based on how technologically advanced they are which they are capable of magically sensing, so if anything your nuclear grenades would be the decoys to divert the lasers away from the dumb shells. Don’t forget the heavy metal dust clouds, they do help somewhat.

      In any case, the main threat of the BETA comes more from their numbers than from the lasers, the lasers just deny aerial attack making the situation more tactically unfavourable. Imperial Navy and UN stationed in Japan expended half their ammo reserves shelling Hive 21 to support amphibious assault, racking up a considerable killcount, and even then the numbers of BETA running into the millions garrisoned at Hive 21 amounted to too much for them, so they had to roll out the gravity-distorting xenotech powered XG-70b with its charged particle cannon and gravity-based deflector shields to even have a real chance at taking out the Hive.

    • fragb85
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 9:14 am | Permalink

      You didn’t take into account logistics of such a tactic. An entire fleet can’t afford to blanket an area forever because ammo is limited. Or the fact that there are millions of BETA hiding underground. The fact remains that artillery is has always been a support for ground combat and not a solution. Nuclear strikes are not an option.

      The “best” (emphasis on the quotation) method to take out a hive are the Orbital Divers, none of which have been very successful.

  7. Soulstrider
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 2:13 am | Permalink

    Unfortunately unlike the vn, BETA combat won’t be that frequent, most of the show will be pseudo cold war shenanigans.

    The Ln was like this, Spoilers ahead:

    Prologue arc (was skip): Japan begin its Shiranui Second project in a joint effort with America. Yui tests Railgun in simulator. Yuuya gets paired with the Goof, the Gurkha loli and Stella’s tits flying F-15 ACTVs.

    1st arc: Test pilots and their evaluation/support staff assembled. American test pilots gets their familiarization cross training on Fubukis and Siranui 1.5s. Inter-squadron versus training simulations.

    2nd arc: Fraternizing with Soviet ESPers. More relationship melodrama and first signs of backdoor politics and conspiracies in the vein of 50s Cold War.

    3rd arc: Kamchatka arc: joint Russian and US mission to cleanse the Kamchatka islands of its BETA presence. Also to field test the effectiveness of the Japanese railgun.

    4th arc: the arrival of the first 2 Nigata prototypes TSF. Official test piloting begins. International test team ranking also begins. teams coming from. US army, US marine, USSR, EU, Iran, Israel, UAE, Switzerland, China. Yifei and Sharon’s debut(minus previous cameos and flashbacks). Alot of ass being kicking done by F-22 EMD and Su-37UB. also Jelly every where. More politics conspiracy and backstabs.

    5th arc: Terrorist arc: shit blow up everywhere forever arc. Terrorists (in F-16s and MiGs, I think?) within, BETA without. Cold War tension on the verge of going thermonuclear. Russian psykers pulling a 300 Spartan Thermopylae defense by themselves against oncoming BETA brigade and wining, preventing U.S. H-Bombs from going off and blowing Alaska sky high. The day is saved and a Pyrrhic victory is earned through much ass kicking and political maneuvers. Also of course headshot.

    • Soulstrider
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 2:24 am | Permalink

      Forgot to add this, the reason why Japan wasn’t much prepared is because they assumed BETA couldn’t cross large bodies of water. So far in all the decades they were on earth they had avoided crossing them, that’s why the UK and Africa(Suez) weren’t invaded by BETA.

      The Beta are quite dangerous because they are unpredictable, once you think you managed to discern a pattern in their actions they do something entirely different, that’s a constant source of headaches in the vn when tactics that have worked for decades suddenly stop working.

      • CobaltPhi
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 2:48 am | Permalink

        But the UK did get invaded by BETA, in 1985 and then in 1996, successfully repelled both times.

        • Soulstrider
          Posted July 10, 2012 at 6:39 am | Permalink

          Hmm I was convinced that the invasions of the UK happened after the one of Japan, I guess I have my dates mixed up.

      • Golos
        Posted July 10, 2012 at 2:52 am | Permalink

        The Suez is hardly a large body of water. Otherwise, every river could be used as an effective defense line against them.

        • Soulstrider
          Posted July 10, 2012 at 6:38 am | Permalink

          Dunno, I just know what I’ve read.

          • CobaltPhi
            Posted July 10, 2012 at 6:45 am | Permalink

            The point is that BETA will apparently prefer not to cross water, if they can go by land and cross as little water as possible they will, hence they attack Britain but apparently don’t just bypass them and walk over to the Americas, similarly they apparently don’t just bypass the SEA territories south of Thailand and walk over to Australia. The Suez canal thing is more that the BETA that Iran and Iraq hives toss at Egypt taking the most direct route have to cross the Suez, at which the combined Arabs and Jews are holding them off.

        • Crusader
          Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

          As long as the BETA don’t bring in fire hoses you could fortify the Suez Canal as the Israelis did in 1973. One would a imagine that if you could contain the BETA in the deserts that they would die of starvation and dehydration if you also controlled the Jordan river. Unless of course the BETA can drink ocean water too.

          • CobaltPhi
            Posted July 11, 2012 at 8:16 am | Permalink

            The only sustenance BETA need is obtained directly from their Reactors at the deepest part of the Hives, recharging like robots.

            In any case, Suez is pretty heavily fortified, the Israelis and Arabs taking a break from killing each other to hold the line against incursions from the hives in the Middle East.

          • Crusader
            Posted July 11, 2012 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

            Hold the phone you mean to tell me these damn things are Borg without the regenerative shielding, nanites, and assimilation protocols? Damn it where is Species 8472?

            I don’t suppose there is a way to overload the reactor…is there?

          • CobaltPhi
            Posted July 12, 2012 at 12:37 am | Permalink

            All TSFs sent on Hive infiltration missions are equipped with a bomb with yield equivalent to an average tactical nuke, intended to be used to blow up the Reactor, thus rendering the Hive incapable of supporting a BETA population (no energy to provide, see) and forcing all local BETA to either migrate over to the next Hive or shut down from energy depletion, hence ending BETA capability to hold territory surrounding the disabled Hive.

            Unfortunately as of 2001 no infiltration unit has ever gotten as far as the Reactor (not helped by the fact that they don’t really have accurate maps of the Hives, so they essentially run in blind just following every turn that takes them deeper hoping to stumble across the bottom, while the BETA react to their intrusion by swarming them and opening up new tunnels to show up right next to them and behind them, surprising them and cutting off their supply lines to the surface), and the S-11s tend to end up being used as last-ditch suicide devices instead. The Soviet 43rd Tactical Armored Division once made it as far as the middle strata during the unified NATO and Warsaw Pact assault on the hive in Minsk, but couldn’t get any further before being slaughtered. Partly because those in command of the whole thing refused to authorize the nuclear option because they wanted the Hive intact and gambled on having enough reserves to throw at the Hive to achieve that.

          • Crusader
            Posted July 12, 2012 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

            I hope the guy who denied the nuclear optioned was paid a long and unexpected visit by the KGB.

            Forget trying to be Space Marines they need to upgrade the TSF units into Grey Knights and give every unit psybolt ammunition… We need cheese out the Human armies with Psyrifleman Dreadnoughts and Dreadknights.

    • Crusader
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

      Stupid humans playing their stupid games when doom and death are beating down the door. At least they are trying to roll out railguns and started rolling out sanctioned psykers. I hope they forego the relationships BS and get on with the war we can get cheap ecchi elsewhere, Real Robot is rare.

    • Posted July 11, 2012 at 7:05 am | Permalink

      Yeah that’s what I was afraid of. Human still screwing over other humans when still faced with annihilation. The only context that it make sense is if each human power has a “thing” that the others need for a combine chance to destroy the “external” enemy OR the “thing” is something that’s needed to escape the external enemy, ie they want it only for their people. Otherwise if the humans have zero chance it make little sense for them to back stab each other.

  8. MrTerrorist
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 3:08 am | Permalink

    First off, a moment of silence to the TSF pilots who lost lives defending the homeland. May you rest in peace you glorious heroes.
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    Anyway, that was brutal. Damm BETAs! They feel overpowered especially the Laser class. If the humans had the Tactical High Energy Laser and Kinetic Strike from Tom Clancy’s EndWar, i bet they could overcome those Laser class BETAs.

    PS:Whoa Crusader. Your on a roll. Two new blogpost. in a two days. Will there be more posts like on Rinne no Lagrange 2 and Bodacious Space Pirates?

    • fragb85
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 3:37 am | Permalink

      Don’t forget the appropriate music.

    • Crusader
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

      Yeah the BETA seem terribly broken, if they don’t eat or need water to exist they need to roll out a patch or errata real quick.

      Still that was quite an unexpected massacre.

  9. DarkFireBlade25
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    Are these beta extremely fast growing? This might be reserved for interesting ideas on the board, but I’d think that a grow-genetically-domesticated-BETA that eat other BETA would be a good idea. Kinda like crusniks of Trinity Blood to vampires. Or a BETA virus that turn them against each other.

    • Crusader
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

      I don’t know, but to keep up those numbers it would have to be a high birthrate considering the heavy losses they sustain for every offensive.

  10. KLAC_OF_PERSONALITY
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    oh my i did guess right went ga rei zero route on this ep indeed rocks falls & nearly everyone get “whack”.

    good grief really some stuff too ugh yet hmm on it to watch.

    • Crusader
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

      Well don’t enjoy your vindication too much, many otome died this episode.

      • KLAC_OF_PERSONALITY
        Posted July 11, 2012 at 8:16 am | Permalink

        indeed give still hmm should i put in my watchlist give 1st 2eps were like character intro story eps with mix of ga rei zero vibe.

        wonder who will be yomi on it?

  11. Di Gi Kazune
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Warrior monks should carry a plasma sword.

    • Crusader
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

      Nawww they need Eviserators and flamers. I hope the rosarius will be good for the +4 Invulnerable.

  12. Atelier
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    I see your points about the lack of military strategy but do you not understand the emperor created a elite military unit consisting of only hot, young girls? I don’t think military strategy is alternative Japan’s strong point.

    • Crusader
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

      The Emperor protects but I think the High Lords of Terra need a visit from the Inquisition, losses are acceptable, failure is intolerable…

  13. SQA
    Posted July 10, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    Love the Warhammer 40k references. :) Amazing how important Tyranids have become in modern sci-fi.

    Anyway, tactics & strategy aren’t the point of the series. Death & Politics is the point. Once you accept that, you can just enjoy the gruesome deaths.

    • Crusader
      Posted July 10, 2012 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

      Yeah and the Nid players are crying for a new Codex…

      Damn it why the politicking? If only Immortal Emperor of Man-kind would shit or get off the Golden Throne and execute a couple of leaders who are found wanting… Damn Commissars aren’t doing the job, and where the hell is the Inquisition when you need them? Damn bastards get to run around and they can’t be bother to declare war on the incompetent. I hope the Grey Knights are bored to death on Titan, the Tyranids blew right by them just because they weren’t daemons… Terra could use a couple of those broken OP Two Dreadknight and Paladins armies…

  14. Huntermad
    Posted July 11, 2012 at 3:27 am | Permalink

    Just give your pitiful souls for the Blood God and his mighty army will cleanse those filthy Xenos for U!!!!!
    Blood for Blood God, skulls for Skull Throne!!!!!!

    • Crusader
      Posted July 11, 2012 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

      Yes perhaps what they really need are some bloodletters, blood crushers, and Khorne Berserkers. I am sure that eh World Eaters would have taken the skulls of all the BETA in a month.

  15. SpookRabbit
    Posted July 11, 2012 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    The BETA have arrived.

    Give the order – it’s time to activate REX-84.

  16. sober!man
    Posted July 11, 2012 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    For further clarification and random info dump. The humans in muvluv do possess a space borne fleet and defense system. The space fleet’s main job is to nuke every incoming beta hive Asteroids launched at earth from the moon or mars an act that is instrumental in stopping the beta from establishing more foot hol on earth than they already have. The sapce fleet’s second job is to Launch orbital drop pods loaded either with resupply or TSFs for deep striking into a strategic position. During the Dive itself, the TSF pilots within experience forces of up to 8.2G’s, and velocities during the drop exceed 15,000 kilometers per hour. These drop pods can attain enough energy during the drop to hit with the ground with more impact than depicted in Endwar’s “rod from god” kinetic strike. During Assaults on BETA hives These pods can dive hundreds meter deep and release its occupants deep into the tunnels of a beta hive structure. The orbital diver units are brutally trained and selected from the best by the various nation from all over the world and the qualified pilots wear their orbital diver qualification pin above their pilot wings on their uniforms proudly. However the orbital shock troops are a valued resource and are never deployed until the direst of moments or during a planned Hive assault. Even though The deployments of the drop pods are preceded by an extensive anti laser heavy metal cloud saturation 20% of the divers will not survive the trip down to earth whether by human error or the Laser defenses of the hive. Since the divers are always deployed into the thickest of fighting and generally deep behind enemy lines only 20% of the total deployed are expected to return alive, and no pilot in the Orbital Diver Corp have survived more than 3 Drops.

    Also fighting the BETA in their HIVE is suicide, since the BETA literally have tunnels in their hive that is measured in kilometers for both height and width. and can be filled with Almost millions of the Fuckers who are crawling over each other to get to you. In one documented case the beta in such a tunnel actually created a TSUNAMI of BETA combat strains coming at 150km/h and over 500m in height. Also the many beta can climb walls like spiders so the tunnel walls, floors and ceiling are literally filled with BETA. For such intances the Orbital divers and other TSF who is tasked with the assualt and infiltration of a hive generally carry and S-11 bomb as an self destruction device. the s-11 is an non nuclear radiation-less bomb with an explosive yield similar to that of a sub kiloton tactical nuclear warhead. Many pilots have used such devices and ascended to the side of the god emperor within a blaze of glory and untold numbers of betas xenso incinerated by his dying light.

    And also here is whats going on with the rest of the world in Muvluv.
    In europe the beta advance is stopped at the strait of Dover by the various remaining European military forces.The most powerful being the military of Germany, UK, and France.They are also augmented by an naval US carrier fleet and its marine expedition unit.
    Down south the beta is held in check at the suez canal by the Turkish, Israeli and the Iranians.
    In asia its at the philipines and Taiwan the betas are halted by the USMC and china’s
    surviving PLA forces.
    Up north the russians managed to hold the line just west of magadan in siberia. And the US leased half of alaska to the Russians to house their political leaders and refugees.(This area will be the primary point of interest for the Total eclipse anime)

    The USA is virtually untouched due to the US airforce nuking canada when a beta hive landed in Manitoba and Saskatchewan before the hive managed to grow any laser classes. Over 40% of canada is radio active and so is part of North Dakota and Minnesota.

    • Crusader
      Posted July 11, 2012 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

      I am glad we have the chance for an orbital drop, sadly I guess in then all the human can manage are Elysian drops troops and not true Space Marines. Since the Elysians are playing tunnel rats is there any reason why you would try and use flame throwers? That would seem like the ideal place to use it since the BEAT are still flesh robot hybrids. Even if they do live in tunnels has any effort been made to use tunnel busters to bury the BETA alive or at least take out the Hatchery?

      Since not all of Canada got turned into a wasteland what happened to Toronto and Vancouver?

  17. DarkFireBlade25
    Posted July 12, 2012 at 6:04 am | Permalink

    Blessed is the day when the humans invent low orbit ion cannons. Or at least lasers that rival both LASER classes.

    also, if there are so many destroyer classes, why not use the giant ramparts as shields or armor? their hardness is 15 on the Moh’s scale anyway. just do what they do to diamonds and you got yourselves some inpenetrable stuff.

    • Crusader
      Posted July 12, 2012 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

      Good question why not loot the corpses for crafting materials? It’s based on a game after all, why not delve into the madness that is crafting?

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