Ranking the Espada

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Let’s have an exercise in futility: ranking the Espada. There have been many number theories and mathematical sequences generated in order to create a logical order to the ranking of the Espada but so far none have been correct. Because I’m bored, let’s talk about what you think the ranking of the Espada might be. There might be spoilers below so don’t click if you’re not caught up with the manga. I have included a picture of the infamous tea party table seating for reference (click for bigger).



tea party

Here’s my personal prediction on the ranking:

1. Ulquiorra
2. Nnoitra
3. Stark
4. Old Espada
5. Halibel
6. Grimmjow
7. Zommari
8. Szayelaporro
9. Aaroniero
10. Yammy

Bolded names are the confirmed rankings by manga. All the rest are based on gut feeling with no complicated number sequences or formulas, except for Noitora – I think he is #2 based on what he told Telsa. He thinks he’s the strongest Espada but yet he’s not recognised as the strongest, so this probably means he’s #2. And I think Ulquiorra is #1 because he’s so damn intelligent and analytical, and he is Aizen’s pet as well.

This is the current actual rankings as revealed by the manga, together with my new predictions:

1. Stark
2. Halibel
3. Old Espada
4. Ulquiorra
5. Nnoitra
6. Grimmjow
7. Zommari
8. Szayelaporro
9. Aaroniero
10. Yammy

So let me hear all your theories and predictions on the rankings of the Espada!

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1943 Comments

  1. yoyo
    Posted July 18, 2008 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Barrangan is maybe primero I mean he is giving orders while aizen is trapped. However, as many of you know Stark is lazy, so maybe he is primero but he just doesnt care about taking the lead and let the weaker do it. So now im a bit clueless, but Hallibel just have to be 3rd im pretty sure about it, but who knows im may be wrong. Two or three more chapters will reveal the rankings i hope.
    For some reason I want to see the rankings of the top three before the ichigo/ulqiorra fight.

  2. yoyo
    Posted July 18, 2008 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Can someone explain what chapter 321 has to do with the espada ranking?

  3. Quietstorm
    Posted July 19, 2008 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    Well Chapter 321 to reveal Espada 3,2,1 it’s kinda obvious :P .

  4. yoyo
    Posted July 19, 2008 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    thank you quietstorm for clearung it up to me :D

  5. Quietstorm
    Posted July 19, 2008 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Np yoyo my pleasure :) .

    As for the ranking I maintain my thoughts 1- Barragan, 2- Haribel, 3- Stark

    Barragan took charge as the first espada should when the real leader isn’t around (Aizen). Halibel questioned the first Espada as any #2 would (aka Shunsui in the gotei 13 vs Ol’Yama) and the #3 just listened when confronted knowing he’s no match for him anyway. For me it’s kinda obvious this is the order….. The only thing is Kubo likes to fool us and I still might be wrong but these are my thoughts on the ranking :) .

  6. pequot
    Posted July 19, 2008 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Once Barry took command, Halibel never even spoke. She was probably thinking “How did I get stuck with this idiot?” Stark was ok with Barry’s attitude but then Lilinette kicked him and started scolding him for letting what would have to be a WEAKER arrancar take command! Stark is laid back and wouldn’t care, Barry is overly confident and boistrous. Why would he have to indirectly ask Stark for permission to lead unless he was intimidated by him? If you notice, Apache has the same “What the hell are you doing Barragan?!” look.
    I believe that of the three espada, Barragan has the least chance of being #1.
    Why would he attempt to put the others down without saying his actual rank to remind them who’s strongest? It’s because saying “I’m number three and your only one and two!” makes you sound pretty stupid.

    Sorry, but until Barragan does something other than sit his ass on a chair and spam orders that fail hard, at people who completely ignore him save his own fraccion and fodder hollows, then Barragan will be lucky to get 2 in my mind.

    Barragan fails.

    PS This post is against the character, not his fans. You guys are still cool and I acknowledege that you are free to think whatever, so please, don’t flame me for stating my mind.

  7. Zeru
    Posted July 19, 2008 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Wow damn pequot, u have made an awesome comment!!! I have never thought of this way before. I really hope that Stark will be showed as the strongest espada. I really like his character but I think that he is the weakest based on my own instinct and the comments of other people but I think that it’s really hard to say what the ranking is since Tite is such an unpredictable writer.

    I think that the top 3 espadas don’t have really much of a gap in power. It would be cool if all 3 of them are placed as number 3 and that there are 2 new espadas to be introduced but that won’t happen, still, I really love that idea. Or that the number 3 espada would be the strongest in the normal form and number one would be the strongest on the unleasehd form cuz the fans won’t be too disapointed about their fav espada then, but Barragan has to be the second strongest then cuz I think that he doesn’t has much fans.

    I also hope that in the end that the espadas would be against Aizen, I don’t really c that happen though. But it does not have much sense that the espadas are helping Aizen cuz they don’t really gain much of anything and I think that if the 10 espadas are combined that they are a lot stronger then Aizen. Still some espadas are pretty loyal to Aizen, so why?

    Also I think that the time in Hueco Mundo is really bizar cuz espadas are formed by Aizen but it was like hundereds of years ago that Nel is a number 3 espada, also Aizen can’t have formed the espadas hunderds of years ago cuz he was only a vice captain so I don’t think that he was strong enough to command the espadas. Or if like 1 second is past by in SS and the real world it’s like a week in Hueco Mundo but also that can’t be cuz I doubt that SS can plan so much things in just a few seconds since Ichigo and the others went to Hueco Mundo. I know that this is completely off topic but can someone please give me an answer?

  8. Posted July 19, 2008 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    “0pequot” I was thinking the same thing you said about stark.

    Ok so when the old guy took command, he asked Stark first, probably knowing that he wouldn’t even care since he is so lazy, Thats when Stark said “sure” then his Fraction was like “Whats wrong with you, you’re #1 and you don’t even care enough to take command and let a weaker guy do it?”. Ohh and oldy didn’t even considered Halibel.

    And even though Stark is acting really surprised by the attacks that the Capitan’s trow at them, that is probably something Kubo did to make him look weak, but in reality he is just acting and he is #1.

    and I like the idea about Chapter 321, looking forward to that one.

    Thats what I think, what about you guys?

  9. Dracodis
    Posted July 19, 2008 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    I would just like to give my two cents on two issues:

    1. Poker Faces: I don’t think showing or not showing a poker face is necessarily indicative of one’s ability, just one’s character. Some characters prefer to control their emotions more, others less. Take Ulquiorra and Stark as examples. Even though Ulquiorra is of a lower rank than Stark, Stark has an easy-going, more natural character, and so what goes on in his mind is easily reflected in his actions. On the other hand, Ulquiorra fosters this almost machine-like image consisting of calculation and a lack of emotion, so he tends to not visually react to threats. Granted, we haven’t seen the two up against the same threat, and maybe Ulquiorra would have reacted to Yamamoto’s attack, too, but I think it’s more a question of character than strength. This also applies to why Kyoraku would question Yamamoto where Unohana wouldn’t.

    2. Questions between Espada in Chapter 318: Again, I don’t think strength necessarily plays a factor here.

    A. Halibel and Baragan on Underestimating: When these two have their exchange on underestimating, I think it could be taken as exactly that, irregardless of rank, and if it is involved, it could go either way. If Halibel is stronger, than Baragan could be showing his pride or an inferiority complex (which his crown and throne could be indicative of, too). If Baragan is stronger, than he is interpreting her response to his actions as, again, questioning his strength, and maybe also insubordination.

    B. Baragan’s Asking Stark his Opinion on His Assuming Command: Helibel already voiced her opinion (wihout Baragan’s asking, mind you), and so he already knew what she thought of his taking command. Because of Halibel’s previous provocation, when Baragan asks for Stark’s opinion, I think it is more in a tone of “Would YOU like to say something TOO?” rather than of “Is this ok, Senior Primero/Segundo?” (depending on their respective rank relation), and since Stark is lazy, he goes along with him. Baragon may simply not like to be criticized, and since Halibel already voiced her opinion, Baragan is irritated and asks Stark before Stark enters the argument on his on accord and/or to make sure he has nothing to say. Simply put, he doesn’t ask Halibel because she doesn’t wait to be asked, and he asks Stark because he’s irritated with Halibel.

    Personally, I don’t see this chapter as having definitively cleared much, if anything, up at all.

  10. Dracodis
    Posted July 19, 2008 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Baragan gains support for his assertiveness and aesthetics (awesome new throne!), Halibel for her demeaner, and Stark for Lilinette’s reaction to his passivity. Baragan also losses points for thinking his plan would work so easily and his startled reaction to said loss.

    Personally, I would like to see either Baragan or Halibel as Primero, the other as Segundo, and Stark as Tercero. Baragan because I would hate for him to have the aesthetics he does (age, crown, throne) and not be Primero, and Halibel because her character seems to fit it (she’s calm and observant, but doesn’t seem cold like Ulquiorra) and I, too, would love to see a woman at the top for once, however unlikely that may be. No offence to Stark–I love him–but he just feels more and more like a Tercero to me. But, as I said, nothing really seems sure to me as regards the facts, so this ranking relies more on feeling and intuition than would befit truly arguing for it.

  11. mitch
    Posted July 20, 2008 at 1:14 am | Permalink

    okay one thing the “old espada” has been given a name i dont know why no one realizes it but aizen calls out three names and hal bel and stark and the “old espada” come out we know halbel and stark and he calls out barragan so guess what that has to be his name and i think it will be as follows
    1.barragan
    2.halbel
    3.stark
    4-10 already known

  12. Ukyo
    Posted July 20, 2008 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    Finally someone who almost thinks the same as me. Go Dracodis.
    For what I’ve seen so far I’m going with these ranks:
    1 Hallibel
    2 Barragan
    3 Stark
    I’ve explained Hallibel a lot of times now, that’s why I only say what I thought of her in the new chapter. First of all, she was looking with a mokking face at Barragan during the underestimating part. Also Barragan didn’t look at her. She was also the least/not shocked during the pillar attack. And like Draconis said, she she has the correct attitude. Also, the thing that she didn’t react towards Barragan when he said that she’s underestimating him, she also didn’t react when Nnoitra asked her during the meeting if she was scared. However in the anime she does react.
    Next is Barragan. Although I don’t like him, I see him more as second than Stark. However we don’t know much about him. That’s why I can’t support my thoughts about him.
    Last is Stark. Before I start about him during the last chapter, I’ll go a few chapters back. Why was he the one who had to retrieve Orihime. There are only two reasons I can come up with. He’s the fastest of the remaining 5 (I counted Yammy as well) or he’s the weakest of the top three. If I’m correct Ulqiorra was still trapped and we all know why Yammy wasn’t send. I believe it was, because he’s the weakest. He already believes that Ulqiorra can defend Hueco Mundo against 4 captains, some vice-captains and some others. If Ulqiorra really can stand them, then espada 3 wouldn’t have trouble against 1 captain and Ichigo. Why would he send espada 1 then.
    If Stark is 3 it would fit into the seating order. The weakest at the back, the strongest next to them, which means the ones who Aizen will send almost never on a mission are the furthest away.
    In the latest chapter, Lilinette said that Stark shouldn’t go alone with Barragan, which I believe is that the strongest of the espada doesn’t agree with Barragan’s leadership.
    Draconis, you said that Apache was looking at Barragan. I believe that she was irritated by Lilinette, just like Mila-Rose.
    That’s it for now.

  13. yoyo
    Posted July 20, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Man there are so many good comments here that im unsure how the order is now.
    My previous idea was 1) Barrangan 2) Stark 3) Hallibel, but know its more like this for my opinion:

    1. Barrangan or Stark
    2. Barrangan or Stark
    3. Hallibel

    So now im 50/50 on Barrangan and Stark about being Primero, damn i wish they can reveal the rankings all ready!

    Oh yeah guys i really suck asking this but what is the difference between a adjuchas and vaste lord arrancar physically? Many here said that espada 10-5 are adjuschas and 4-1 are vaste lord. Yea except aareneiro is gillian of course. Thanks in advance =)

  14. yoyo
    Posted July 20, 2008 at 10:50 am | Permalink

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  15. Vaizard+
    Posted July 20, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Halibel: “I think you’re underestimating Aizen”

    Barragan: ” I think you’re underestimating me Halibel” (CUZ I’M #3 BUT I’M STRONG TOO >._>) OUCH!! wtf? =(

    Barragan: “okay this town is fake bla bla i’m smart so do this….”

    Yama Ji: “Fools”

    Barragan: O_O “dammit !@#$#!@$#@!%$#@ i’m gay!! ”

    I decided to act it out instead of explain it because its more fun and you can understand it a bit better xD hahaha

    cheers

  16. Vaizard+
    Posted July 20, 2008 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Halibel: “I think you’re underestimating Aizen”

    Barragan: ” I think you’re underestimating me Halibel” (CUZ I’M #3 BUT I’M STRONG TOO >.<)

    Stark: “Thats okay with me!” (cuz i’m too lazy to do a big job like leading anyways) OUCH! wtf! =( lillien: -_-

    Barragan: “okay this town is fake bla bla i’m smart so do this….”

    Yama Ji: “Fools”

    Barragan: O_O “dammit !@#$#!@$#@!%$#@ i’m gay!! ”

    I decided to act it out instead of explain it because its more fun and you can understand it a bit better xD hahaha

    cheers

  17. Vaizard+
    Posted July 20, 2008 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    lol sry first post f-ed up haha read the one above this one

  18. Dracodis
    Posted July 20, 2008 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    You make a very good point about the seating, Ukyo, and it not only fits with an order system, but also makes practical sense. Furthermore, it also works with the collage of faces. If Halibel and Baragan are Primero and Segundo, then there would be alternating sets of two sequential numbers and the corresponding digit from the last pair in each row (please note that the following chart does not reflect their order in the picture, it is just a visual of that rather convoluted description):

    1,2,_,_,5,6,_,_,9,_
    _,_,3,4,_,_,7,8,_,10

    Another thing to consider concerning Baragan’s assuming command is the little thought of consideration of the Espadas’ roles, not just their rank. Baragan may be assuming command not because he is Primero, but because he is the general or military strategist of the group, just as Aporro was the scientist and Yammi is the muscle. As the strategist, Baragan would certainly be important enough to merit one of the top two ranks and could view himself as the authority in a large scale battle scenario (like this one), but Halibel could still be above him as the Commander-in-Chief of the Espada–sort of like how the president of the U.S. is in charge of the military, but is a civilian, not a general/admiral/marshal. I think his manner and speech reflect this possibility very well when he is vocally going through the situation and how to respond. Granted, if this is supposed to be his area of expertise, than he sort of blew it here, but then again he didn’t send particularly strong Hollows (not even of Arrancar class) to the four pillars, so maybe he knew enough to expect something and sent weaklings to spring the trap. Plus, although he did look somewhat surprised, he still seemed calm and nowhere near as startled as Stark. He also probably didn’t like being called a fool by Yamamoto.

    Oh, and it was pequot who thought Apache was looking at Baragan. Not that I take offence, just pointing that out.

  19. VaizardMember
    Posted July 23, 2008 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Man i was so damn sure Stark was primero,i still think he is,but there are so many comments that i’m not so sure anymore.
    Personally,i think Kubo is using a image game with us.all of starks actions and expressions point to this:”he’s the weakest”(his reaction to yamanoto’s atack,his faces whenever a shinigami does something).however,the latest chapter drove me crazy,halibel questioning barragan fits with her talk in grimmjows fight against ichigo:she said “how can a mere human fight a espada?”the way she sees it:
    –1 ranking diference in the espadas is very much strenght difference.–
    So she could be pointing that barragan (being second)was in no position to make his own decisions,seeing as stark(being primero)didn’t do anything.barragans arrogant personality says that halibel sees thing in the wrong way,and his loathe to starks lazy personality says:”i hope YOU don’t have anything against me ruling too,have you?”with stark saying NO lillinete goes loopy and pratically says”what do you you mean NP?you’re primero and at this situation you’re letting a weakling give the orders?
    Of course,that’s my opinion,the only thing i’m sure is that kubo’s toying with us.
    thx for listening

  20. Lala Land
    Posted July 24, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Barragan = King = #1, as simple as that
    Stark = Lazy bum = #3 (has potential though)
    Halibel = #2 (Process of elimination)

  21. yoyo
    Posted July 24, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Sigh, the latest chapter was intresting with the introduction of Barrangan’s fraccion but i felt that nothing mch happend. I wonder if that spoiler was fake, chapter 319 is supposed to be out tomorrow i think…

  22. Posted July 24, 2008 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    This is what i think of the espada when Nel was in espada

    1.Stark
    2.Ulquiorra demoted- In favor of New Orb of distortion arrancar
    3.Nel-Nnoitra dumb attacked got her out
    4.Hallibel
    5.Grimmjow-Demoted
    6.Barragan
    7.Nnoitra
    8.Yammy-Demoted-he’s dumb so thats why
    9.Brown Arrancar-Forgot name
    10.Arronerio or however you say it

    New Espada in order of strength

    1.Stark
    2.Ulquiorra
    3.Halibel
    4.Grimmjow
    5.Barragen
    6.Nnoitra
    7.Yammy
    8.Brown Arrancar
    9.Stayzel
    10.Arronerio

    Official Espada Rankings

    1.Stark
    2.Halibel
    3.Barragan
    4.Ulquiorra
    5.Nnoitra
    6.Grimmjow
    7.Brown Arrancar
    8.Stayzel
    9.Arranero
    10.Yammy-He would be higher up if he wasn’t dumb

  23. Ukyo
    Posted July 25, 2008 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    Too bad the new chapter is only about Barragan’s fraccion and the defenders of the four pillars. Almost nothing is shown of the espada.
    Also what happened to one of the arrancars. In Bleach 318 page 11 you see a little boy who is helping to put Barragan’s chair up. In the new chapter he’s gone.
    And Meep, why do you think that 2 of the present top three, would be of a lower rank than Nell? (Nnoitra was 8 during Nell’s period as third). Aaroniero was also one of the original espada, I don’t believe that if Yammy was first stronger and now weaker.

  24. yoyo
    Posted July 25, 2008 at 6:11 am | Permalink

    I thought that boy was Cool Horn but apparently not. This may sound like a strange theory but im a bit suspicous on Omaeda(2nd div lieutenant how could he not know about the guardians of the pillar, however Soifon was wondering IF she did tell her lieutenant. What IF Omaeda is a fake? Maybe all gotei 13 at fake karakura town is under Aizen’s illusion and that fake Omaeda is spying them. m probably wrong with this theory lol. Maybe Omaeda is just stupid or Soifong forgot? Who shares my theory then?

    So now that Barrangan’s fraccion is out of the picture (dont they look weak?) there remains Stark’s and Halibel’s fraccion. Some battles im assuming for them:

    Iba vs Apache
    Omaeda (if he isnt fake) vs Mila Rose
    Rangiku vs Sun-Sun
    Nanao (i didnt see her though…) vs Linette

    Yep maybe they sound too predictable :D

  25. yoyo
    Posted July 25, 2008 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    Oh yea i just got another random theory about chapter 317. Renji, Chad and Rukia were there to help Ichigo reach Orihime because of Exquias standing thier way. Some people were guessing were was Uryuu? I think he refused to help Ichigo in that chapter since he made an oath to his father that he will not associate with shinigami. He helped Ichigo because he is a subsitute shinigami and he went against Soul Society. But now that four SS captians have arrived at HM. Im probably wrong since he may still be healed my mayuri. Now im just assmuming here and sry for being a bit off topic here with my two posts. What do you think?

  26. yosoyyo
    Posted July 26, 2008 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    It doesn’t matter what the order is. 1 through 4 are all super strong since they’re all vasto lorde and probably very evenly matched anyway. I mean Ulquiorra ranked 4 that just says it all. Having said that, I think u guys R reading too much into it. Barragan is obviosly #1. Stark #2(too cool to be 3) Halibel #3.

  27. kabito_kai
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    I still say the order is

    1. Stark
    2. Halibel
    3. Barragan (he is out there to early in the game — the writer is trying to throw us off)

    And WonderWice has something to do somewhere along in the story

    Yoyo — Omaeda is an idiot, plain and simple and he will always be an idiot. And as for Uryuu, he is helping Ichigo because Uryuu theory is that since SS abondoned him (Ichigo) he is technically not involving himself with SS. So since Ichigo is on his own and not with SS he (Uryuu) can’t break his promise with his father — he found a loop hole in his promise.

  28. yoyo
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 5:11 am | Permalink

    yea i know kabito kai, I was trying to find a reason why uryuu wasnt there at chapter 317, and i thought that maybe because of the 4 SS captains rescuing them in HM, Ichigo is involved with SS since their arrival.

  29. Paulalankelly
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Uryuu is with Mayuri checking out those bodies, Renji offered to help Ichigo because he’s no science person.

    My opinion on top three is the same as it has been from the very start:

    1.Stark
    2.Halibel
    3.Barragan

    Barragan thinks too much of himself, Halibel is pissed at him, Stark is too lazy to give orders so he dosen’t care if Barragan gives orders.

    Also The Fantastic Four(Yumichika, Ikkaku, Kira and Shuuhei) will defeat the Fraccion, I think Shuuhei is fighting the strongest of them, and Ikkaku’s is second(Also I like him the best of those 4)

  30. yoyo
    Posted July 29, 2008 at 4:25 am | Permalink

    Oh yeah i wonder what those bodies were that Mayuri was checking at http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/306/16/. Lol Fantastic Four good name, I think they will be sadly fighting for 6 chapters maybe, sigh.

  31. Posted July 29, 2008 at 5:05 am | Permalink

    I can’t wait to finally see who’s gonna be the top Espada. If Stark is gonna be number one, I’m gonna die of happiness. I effin’ love Stark. <3

  32. Starky
    Posted July 29, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    posted by Ukyo
    The translation I’ve read said that according to Hallibel, Barragan is underestimating Aizen to which Barragan replies that Hallibel is underestimating him. I belive that Barragan means that even though he’s second, number one shouldn’t look down on him which Hallibel is obviously doing

    Sleepy-Fans is the only scan (up to now) that uses the ‘underestimate’ line. At least four other translations suggest that Halibel wasn’t questioning Barragan’s competence or underestimating his ability, but his implied criticism of Aizen. In other words Halibel felt Barragan was disrespecting Aizen here.

    Gvino translation:
    Halibel: You’re disrespecting Aizen-sama Barragan…
    Barragan: You’re disrespecting me Halibel…
    *snaps finger*

    Smacharia88 translation:
    Halibel: You’re being rude to Aizen sama, Barragan
    Barragan: No, you are rude to me instead, Halibel
    sfx: Pa

    Binktopia scanlation:
    Halibel: You’re being rude to Aizen-sama, Barragan
    Barragan: And you’re being rude to me, Halibel
    SNAP

    Ju-Ni scanlation:
    Halibel: Speaking that way towards Aizen-sama is out of line, Barragan
    Barragan: Speaking that way towards me is out of line, Halibel
    *snap

    Consider the situation as Barragan himself puts it: Many enemies and the boss gets caught. Implication is that Aizen underestimated the number of the SS forces, or that he didn’t foresee them, or didn’t plan for them. Also getting caught so early and so easily.

    Halibel is basically saying that Barragan has no right to question Aizen, impliedly or otherwise. And Barragan is saying she has no right to question him. That pretty much looks like a verbal smackdown to me. Especially as he then snaps his fingers and takes charge and ignores Halibel completely.

    If Halibel outranks Barragan, she has a funny way of showing it. Not saying its impossible but based on this exchange I would say unlikely. By the same token if she was primera she is a pretty useless leader after all, getting verbally stomped by lower ranked Espadas and not doing anything. I mean if she was Primera and tried to order around the Espadas and they all gave her lip whats the point of having her lead then?

    One would think being Primera would scare off most Arrancar no matter who they are.

    I still hope the rankings will be 1) Stark 2) Halibel 3) Barragan but based on current facts it looks like 1) Stark 2) Barragan 3) Halibel

  33. kabito_kai
    Posted July 29, 2008 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Starky, you have some good points. I was also thinking that could it simply be that since Barragan is older than Halibel, she should not disrespect her elders… just a thought

    Order again
    1. Stark
    2. Halibel
    3. Barragan

  34. Starky
    Posted July 31, 2008 at 2:21 am | Permalink

    that is very possible kabito_kai :)

    It would be great if Halibel outranks Barragan. I had her as Segunda for as long as I can remember. I feel her first real deed in Bleach will be telling.

    In 313 Stark pwnd the HM arc, took back Orihime and made Ichigo and Zaraki look silly

    In 318 Barragan took charge and was one-upped by Yamamoto

    Halibel? Wait and see.

  35. DuFai
    Posted July 31, 2008 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, HM arc now = the Starc.

  36. Paulalankelly
    Posted July 31, 2008 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    I agree we will see something from Halibel.

    I know this is kinda off topic but, on this forum we where saying if Bleach was like Dragonball Z, with the power levels and stuff, what would everyones power level be? well this is how I have put it, again sorry that its off topic I just wanna know a 2nd opinion. I’m gunna do it per Arc..

    Karakura Town Arc:
    Ichigo – 60
    Ichigo(Sub Shinigami) – 260
    Ichigo(Shikai) – 1’870
    Rukia – 170
    Rukia(Gigai) – 60
    Chad – 58
    Chad(With powers) – 140
    Uryuu – 240
    Orihime – 15
    Orihime(With powers) – 45
    Kon(Ichigo Gigai) – 230
    Kon(Plushie) – 10
    Urahara – 45’000
    Urahara(Shikai) – 94’000
    Tessai – 19’700
    Tessai(Lv 99 Kidou) – 70’000
    Renji – 500
    Renji(Shikai) – 1’870
    Byakuya – 15’000
    Fishbone D – 120
    Random Hollows – 40(up to)250
    Grand Fisher – 400
    Gillian – 1’500

    As you know about the restriction when VC and Captains go to the Human world which is the reason for their low power here, Urahara and Tessai do not have this restriction.

    Soul Society Arc:
    Ichigo(Shikai from entering Soul Society, till start of Renji fight) – 2’000
    Ichigo(Shikai, during Renji fight to begining of Zaraki fight) – 5’200
    Ichigo(Shikai[Burst of energy, after Zaraki fight, power goes down] during Zaraki fight) – 30’000
    Ichigo(Shikai/after Zaraki fight till start of Byakuya fight) – 8’000
    Ichigo(Bankai) – 250’600
    Uryuu – 1’800
    Chad – 1’400
    Orihime – 80
    Ganju – 1’000
    Yourichi(Cat) – 10
    Yourichi(Shinigami) – 20’000
    Yamamoto – 35’000
    Yamamoto(Shikai) – 120’000
    Yamamoto(Bankai) – 520’000
    Sasakibe – 900
    Sasakibe(Shikai) – 3’000
    Soifon – 16’000
    Soifon(Shikai) – 45’000
    Soifon(Bankai) – 150’000
    Omaeda – 700
    Omaeda(Shikai) – 2’150
    Gin – 17’000
    Gin(Shikai) – 55’000
    Gin(Bankai) – 380’000
    Kira – 1’300
    Kira(Shikai) – 4’200
    Unohana – 22’000
    Unohana(Shikai) – 80’000
    Unohana(Bankai) – 440’000
    Isane – 900
    Isane(Shikai) – 3’300
    Hanatarou – 400
    Aizen – 35’000
    Aizen(Shikai) – 120’000
    Aizen(Bankai) – 520’000
    Momo – 1’100
    Momo(Shikai) – 4’000
    Momo(Shikai/enraged) – 6’000
    Byakuya – 22’000
    Byakuya(Shikai) – 56’000
    Byakuya(Bankai) – 290’000
    Renji – 1’400
    Renji(Shikai) – 4’600
    Renji(Bankai) – 80’000
    Komamura – 16’000
    Komamura(Shikai) – 44’500
    Komamura(Bankai) – 140’000
    Iba – 1’200
    Iba(Shikai) – 4’100
    7th Squad, 4th Seat(4get name) – 600
    7th Squad, 4th Seat(4get name/Shikai) – 1’200
    Shunsui – 24’000
    Shunsui(Shikai) – 93’000
    Shunsui(Bankai) – 475’000
    Nanao – 900
    Nanao(Shikai) – 2’800
    Tousen – 15’000
    Tousen(Shikai) – 46’000
    Tousen(Bankai) – 130’000
    Hisagi – 1’400
    Hisagi(Shikai) – 4’500
    Toushiro – 12’000
    Toushiro(Shikai) – 34’000
    Toushiro(Bankai) – 100’000
    Rangiku – 1’400
    Rangiku(Shikai) – 4’400
    Zaraki – 17’000
    Zaraki(Without Eyepatch) – 55’000
    Yachiru – 1’300
    Yachiru(Shikai) – 4’400
    Ikkaku – 1’870
    Yumichika – 1’500
    Mayuri – 13’000
    Mayuri(Shikai) – 40’000
    Mayuri(Bankai) – 115’000
    Nemu – 1’200
    Nemu(Shikai/if has one) – 4’100
    Ukitake – 23’000
    Ukitake(Shikai) – 92’000
    Ukitake(Bankai) – 465’000
    Kaien – 1’900
    Kaien(Shikai) – 5’500
    Random Shinigami – 200(up to)1’300

    Of course their are some here we haven’t seen like some captains Bankai’s, but this is just for fun lol.

  37. DuFai
    Posted July 31, 2008 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    Shunsui – quintessential

    Stark – 9999999999

    If you guys think we’ll get something on the Espada next chapter, then you have some high hopes. It will most likely be Ikkaku fighting Frankenstein or Yumi fighting the manwoman. Kubo knows the other battles are more anticipated, so he will save them for later.

  38. yoyo
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    I just read chapter 320, this chapter only shows Yumchika fighting that Cool Horn. Like the previous one I hated this chapter. Yumchika will probably kill that queer the next chapter since he is in his resurection form.

  39. Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    I personally agree with “YOYO” Hisagi & Kira’s battles will be last since they’re most anticipated.

    And to “Paulalankelly” I think that the list is seriously underestimating Hisagi’s abilities. I mean through out the whole anime (not sure movies) the guy hasen’t even released his zanpaktsu, thats got to be for something.

    I am really looking forward to Hisagi’s battle.

  40. Paulalankelly
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    @ Leo102: You’re right actually, I always thought of him as the strongest Vice-Captain, let’s change it:
    Hisagi – 2′600
    Hisagi(Shikai) – 9′100

    Is that what it should be? Higher or Lower?

    Momo – 1′100
    Momo(Shikai) – 4′000
    Momo(Shikai/enraged) – 6′000
    Anyone think this one is okay?

  41. leo102
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Thanks “Paulalankelly” thats a bit better

  42. Quietstorm
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    It’s hard to gauge Hisagi’s strength atm but so far I’ve been a bit disappointed (when he was defeated by pretty boy). As far as I’m concerned the strongest vice-captain is Abarai Renji (Only Bankai user yet) and Ikkaku is stronger than most if not all Vice-Captain as well… (he too has bankai and he doesn’t wanna leave 11 th squad).

    I can’t wait now till the top 3 Espada are reveal and I can’t wait till the fillers in the anime are over too… The new captain is lame and that side story with Lurichi-yo friggin sux :P . OK thx for listening I feel better now haha.

    -Storm

  43. leo102
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    I agree with you “Quietstorm” the fillers do suck, and I also hope they end soon.

    And about Hisagi loosing to the “pretty boy”, I just cant get out of my head that there was something totally wrong with that. I mean Hisagi just doesn’t seem like the guy to lose against him, he looks way stronger. Maybe he just wasn’t trying of something.

    that’s just what I think

  44. pequot
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    Hisagi beat the crap out of him. The only reason Yumichika won was because his cheap power caught Hisagi off guard. You can even go back and see that Hisagi isn’t even scratched while Yumichika is basically on the ground in a pulp.

  45. Paulalankelly
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 4:27 am | Permalink

    Pequot’s right I watched that episode again, Hisagi was winning and Yumichika caught him off guard.

  46. Posted August 3, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Hey I just came to tell people that they should come and join my new Bleach forum, it’s just a bit of fun as you go up the ranks of Shinigami through number of post’s

    here’s the forum
    http://bleachforum.boardzero.com/forum.html

    please join, I just started it and I need people!

  47. yoyo
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    So there are 6 possible outcomes of the top 3 espada ranking. This is list of what i think are the possible ones, with Nr 1 being the one I belive in most:

    1st (1st and 2nd is 50/50 for me)
    1. Stark
    2. Barrangan
    3. Halibel

    2nd
    1. Barrangan
    2. Stark
    3. Halibel

    3rd (Aka Left side table more stronger theory)
    1. Stark
    2. Halibel
    3. Barrangan

    4th (Aka Left side table more stronger theory)
    1. Halibel
    2. Stark
    3. Barrangan

    5th
    1. Barrangan
    2. Halibel
    3. Stark

    6th (Least happen for me)
    1. Halibel
    2. Barrangan
    3. Stark

    Sorry for the sloppy writing, im a bit lazy today :D What do you think?

  48. ukyo
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    We already knew that Aizen was underestimating the SS warriors by leaving Ulqiorra behind protecting Hueco Mundo against 4 captains and Ichigo and co. It could also be that Aizen has a plan.
    Next part would be Hallibel who gets questioned by lower ranked espada. One of those is Nnoitra, but he hates powerful girls. The other would be Barragan, who sees himself as the best espada by taking control and his fraccion call him King. He just doesn’t like it when his superiors,like Hallibel, look down on his abilities. These two only listen to themselves most of the time. Also Primero doesn’t have to give orders against other espada. Barragan hasn’t given an order to the remaining espada and also not to their fraccion. Even Ulqiorra didn’t give orders to Yammy when they were in the human world, while there is a huge difference in power. Until now there hasn’t been an espada who listened to the order of another espada. That’s Aizen’s job.
    “One would think being Primera would scare off most Arrancar no matter who they are” if this is true then how come the fraccion aren’t scared? And most arrancar were already afraid of Nnoitra which means they are afraid of five espada at the least.
    Also she is the only one who hasn’t done anything yet. While Stark retrieved Orihime (why would Aizen order his topdog for such a simple mission?) and Barragan is trying to impress his superior(s) of the espada by showing his tactical skills in combat.
    Also it notices me that the espada and fraccion’s actions seem so alike. Stark=Shunsui, Lilinette=Nanao
    Hallibel=Ukitake, Apache and Mila Rose=3th seats of the 13th division,perhaps Sun Sun=Kaiba
    It’s kinda disappointing to see those similarities

  49. leo102
    Posted August 4, 2008 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    “ukyo” I think you made a good point and even though I hate to admit that Stark might not be #1, The thing about Halibel not doeing anything yet bothers me a bit.
    I mean she might actually be Primera Espada.

    btw I was reading a few forums a while ago and someone said that Hisagi’s zanpaktsu didn’t have a name, Is this true?

    Please answer my question

  50. Dracodis
    Posted August 4, 2008 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Hisagi’s zanpakutou has no name in the sense that it, along with its release command, haven’t been revealed yet, but it does have a name–we just don’t know it.

    And Ukyo, as always, does make a very good point: Primero simply means strongest of the Espada, not the leader of the Espada, so arguments relying on leadership qualities for Primero-ship are built upon the assumption that the Primero is a leader figure, which very well doesn’t have to be the case.

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