Let’s have an exercise in futility: ranking the Espada. There have been many number theories and mathematical sequences generated in order to create a logical order to the ranking of the Espada but so far none have been correct. Because I’m bored, let’s talk about what you think the ranking of the Espada might be. There might be spoilers below so don’t click if you’re not caught up with the manga. I have included a picture of the infamous tea party table seating for reference (click for bigger).
Here’s my personal prediction on the ranking:
1. Ulquiorra
2. Nnoitra
3. Stark
4. Old Espada
5. Halibel
6. Grimmjow
7. Zommari
8. Szayelaporro
9. Aaroniero
10. Yammy
Bolded names are the confirmed rankings by manga. All the rest are based on gut feeling with no complicated number sequences or formulas, except for Noitora – I think he is #2 based on what he told Telsa. He thinks he’s the strongest Espada but yet he’s not recognised as the strongest, so this probably means he’s #2. And I think Ulquiorra is #1 because he’s so damn intelligent and analytical, and he is Aizen’s pet as well.
This is the current actual rankings as revealed by the manga, together with my new predictions:
1. Stark
2. Halibel
3. Old Espada
4. Ulquiorra
5. Nnoitra
6. Grimmjow
7. Zommari
8. Szayelaporro
9. Aaroniero
10. Yammy
So let me hear all your theories and predictions on the rankings of the Espada!
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The thing that bothers me is that Kubo’s trying to make it so blatently obvious that Barragan is the top Espada that I can’t really see it happening. The first thing he does is underestimate Aizen, which earns him criticism from Halibel. The next thing he does is take charge and underestimate Soul Society, which leads to a direct insult from Yamamoto himself. Now, he’s sending his own fraccion to their deaths with the way the story is progressing. In addition, it’s usually the weaker villains that try to take the spotlight first in these kinds of stories. His overtly arrogant nature leads me to believe that Barragan, like Zommari, is merely a red herring. Remember that when many of us were devising ranking orders in the past, we put Zommari in the top 3. Now, Barragan is taking the lead and the set up is all too obvious.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned, it’s that the reactions of the top 3 Espada to Yamamoto’s shikai aren’t a good indicator of rank. Stark, because of his human nature, acts surprised. Halibel, because of her disconnected nature, seems unfazed. All this shows is that different Espada have different reactions to threatening situations. I bet if Ulquiorra were with them now he’d have the same expression as Halibel and Barragan; still, Stark is stronger than Ulquiorra and there’s no denying that.
However, when you look at the way the Espada talk amongst one another, you can draw several hints. Halibel has talked down to a lower ranked Espada before. When Nnoitra underestimated the intruders, Halibel was quick to put him in his place. Even though he was weaker than her, he mockingly asked her if she was scared, but she didn’t even bother to reply. Now, Halibel is criticising Barragan for underestimating Aizen. Clearly Barragan looks at Aizen as a boss figure, rather than a god. However, Barragan snaps back and tells her that she’s actually the one underestimating him. He immediately takes charge of the situation and she does nothing to stop him. The problem here is determining which one is stronger. On the one hand, Halibel could be underestimating Barragan because he does not respect Aizen and is not a competant leader; in this situation, Barragan would be above Halibel. On the other hand, Halibel may be calling Barragan out because he is a weaker Espada. At this point, it’s nearly impossible to know for which reason Halibel was underestimating Barragan.
Having said that, there is something very revealing about the way Barragan addresses Stark. After taking charge, he looks directly at Stark and says that he expects no complaints; Stark says he doesn’t care, and Lilinet kicks him for his apathy. On the one hand, it could be read as “Halibel already tried to complain, so don’t go telling me you have a problem too.” However, Stark’s answer of “sure, go ahead, I don’t really care what happens” coupled with the fact that he’s turned away from Barragan and doesn’t even bother looking at him indicates that he’s just humoring a weaker Espada since Stark isn’t the type to give orders to his comrades. Lilinet’s response is very telling – she asks what he’s doing going along with Barragan and seems to suggest that it is actually Stark who should be taking command. In addition, Halibel’s fraccion also seem to be annoyed with Stark’s lack of interest (and lilinet’s behavior) in the situation. Right now, if I had to guess, I’d say that Stark is the 1st Espada, Halibel is 2nd, and Barragan is 3rd.
You’ve got some interesting points Guest.
I’m not sure what to think about the reactions of Yamamoto’s shikai. I agree that Ulqiorra would have had an unemotional expression. He talked about the heart of humans and we haven’t seen another expression than this usual one of his. However, it wouldn’t look like that of Hallibel. Hers is more that of making fun of her enemies. Barragan has his normal grumpy look and Stark is the only one surprised, which is strange. He’s the only one as far as I know whose facial expression doesn’t fit his lazy personality, like at the espada meeting when he asked Nnoitra to keep quiet for he was still sleepy.
In the case of Hallibel and Barragan’s word exchange, I believe it’s that Hallibel is stronger. Again she has a ‘you think you’re smart and strong, but I’m way better’ face, just like during Yamamoto’s shikai attack. This is what I believe, the only thing is we can’t see her mouth. Due to this we can’t exactly see what her facial expression is. Also by saying that Barragan’s being rude to Aizen gives me the impression that she knows more than Barragan about the attack.
When Barragan asked if Stark was ok with Barragan taking control, there are a few things which are worth looking at. First of all, Barragan tone of saying and his eyes when he said it. Both give the impression that is threatening Stark. Also Stark looks away when Barragan looked at him. Then there is Hallibel who isn’t looking at Barragan and Stark during Barragan’s ‘threat’ and last but strangest of them all is Mila Rose ‘shut up…’ reaction. First I thought Mila is refering to Lilinette, however she hadn’t said anything during Mila’s reaction. Look at chapter 318 page 13. Lilinette gave her reason of kicking Stark after Mila’s reaction. Leaving two people to whom she could react. First is Barragan. This would mean that her leader would be stronger than Barragan and she is irritated by his desicion of taking control. The other one would be Stark, but I’ve no idea why Mila would say this to Stark. Also Mila has some sweat on her face.
This part I’ve said before. Lilinette tells Stark he shouldn’t go ALONE with Barragan which let me believe that Hallibel is definitly stronger than Barragan.
Leaving two rankings left:
1Hallibel 2Stark 3Barragan
1Stark 2Hallibel 3Barragan
Halibel was going to react to Nnoitra, but Grimmjow was being an ass that day and slammed his fist on the table and got up to trash talk Tousen, resulting in his pwning by Aizen. I also don’t think that Stark “turned away” when Barragan failed at intimidating him. I think he was looking away already and just didn’t bother to look at who he was talking to.
Also, if Halibel went one v one against Yama-ji, she would be obliterated. I don’t care if she’s number 1 or not, Yama would wipe the floor with any arrancar 1 v 1 in my opinion. The guy said “let’s crush them” while SHEATHING his sword. This fight is a joke to him.
I think the reason why she had that face (which to me, like Aizen, looked anticipative and perceptive, not unfazed) is because of all the Espada she is the one who feels the most secure with Aizen. Obviously she is impressed with power or she wouldn’t be all “Aizen can do anything”. She did look flustered when Yama called her a fool and foiled her colleague’s plan, however.
The going Alone part I think is a misprint. It should probably say going Along.
I think I know what Kubo was trying to do when he showed Stark getting screwed by Yama’s fire. He wanted to show how the fraccion survived the blast. Their Espada protected them. The only reason he showed Stark was because he had the least number of fraccion and thus was easier to draw.
And I believe Ulquiorra’s expression would be similar to Stark’s because we have seen him be surprised all the time. His expression would probably be similar to chapter 270 pg. 18. Ulquiorra looked like he pissed his pants and look what the outcome of that fight was. Imagine if he saw someone that could turn him inside out in .5 seconds like Yama. He’d be Omaeda level surprise: “OOOOHHHH WHOAAAA!!! I GONNA GET RAPED!!!!”
dude you make some very good points about the top 3 however here’s another reason why i think Halibel might be primero. Besides the fact she’s the only espada that hasn’t done anything yet. Did anyone forget that hers is the only sword that’s different from ALL espada; it’s not even a katana.
Ok somehow my last comment either got erased or something. However i agree with the above viewers comments about the top 3 Espada. There’s also a reason I’ve been thinking Halibel may be the number 1 espada. Besides the fact she has not done anything yet, her sword is the only one different from ALL Espada it’s not even a Katana like everyone else in bleach.
Cirucci’s zanpaktou was a yo-yo. Nnoitra’s was a double-bladed scythe with a chain on it. Tesla had a rapier. But that’s still a good observation that may have some significance later.
I just want to point out that Ulquiorra does Order Yammy around…. he tells him to kill Orihime and Yammy always look back to Ulquiorra to ask what he should do…. so yes Ulquiorra does order Yammy around… I’m not saying that the higher your rank is that you can order others around and it seems also that the closer they are in rank there’s least chance that the lower rank will listen to you (Like Grimmjow… Even Aizen doesn’t control him completly and he wouldn’t listen to Ulquiorra for sure)
I still stay with
1- Barragan
2- Halibel
3- Stark
but right now I think all of them have equal chances to be #1… Barragan in his actions of taking charge and all… Stark by Lilinette’s reaction and Halibel for questionning Barragan and Barragan’s answer “You under-estimate me Halibel”. If we Follow the gotei 13′s mirror then Barrgan should be primero, stark second and Halibel third. (Yamamoto, Shunsui and Yoruichi)
The top three Espada could really be anyone, but I think Barragan has the least chance of being Primero, he in my opinion is too weak, if he’s thrid he wont be much stronger than Ulquiorra, and if he’s first, then I’m Jesus.
lol….
anyway, Stark & Halibel have equal chances of being first…, but it’s really hard to tell, I want Stark to be, but lately I’ve been thinking it might just be Halibel, and I know that in Manga they never usually have the Females the strongest, but I think this one might be one that does, oh read the spoiler Coolhorn’s dead(Thank god!) next will prob be Kira, and also why is Barragans fraccions the ones to get a big part, only his and Grimmjow’s have had big parts.
I think personally that Barragan will be the first of the three to die.
What I think may just happen:
Kira fight’s and kills his opponent, Ikkaku dispaces his opponent, Hisagi will defeat his one, but will have trouble(Not because Hisagi is weak, which he’s not, prob strongest of the fantastic 4) because in my opinion his opponent is the strongest.
Barragan will be super saiyan pissed and will say “Dammit, my minions have been defeated!” Yamamoto will reply “You really are a fool, these are the Elites of Soul Society, your foolish minions stood no chance.” at that point I will say “Owned” in my head. Barragan will go and attack Yamamoto, and Stark will teleport infront of him and say “Idiot, lord Aizen is not ready, we will not attack unless he orders us to.” Barragan will move back, and Stark will return.
The fire prison will break open, Aizen will laugh at Soul Society, Kira will see Ichimaru and have a shocked look on his face. Ichimaru will say “Aizen, can I speak to Izuru?” Aizen will tell him too wait, until the battle get’s heated, Tousen will have a smile on his face, Aizen will look over and Tousen will “Are you forgetting about that foolish Espada, barragan?” Aizen will remember and say he heard everything and that, Barragan better watch his words or Aizen himself will kill him.
Yeah I got bored >.<
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It was interesting to see, however we didn’t get any clue about the espada. However I’ve changed my rankings a bit. First of all either Barragan is third or Stark is first. When Barragan took control, you see Mira Rose saying: Shut up…
First I thought it was meant for Lilinette who was angry at Stark, however Lilinette hadn’t said a thing yet. Meaning Mira Rose was saying it against Stark or Barragan. If it was for Barragan, that would mean both Hallibel and Stark’s fraccion are having a problem about him taking control. If the fraccion are against it that would mean their bosses are stronger.
However if it was meant for Stark it would mean that he’s first as both Lilinette and Mira Rose want him to take over control. But we have also Barragan’s ‘threat’ against Stark. That leaves me to three possible rankings left:
Hallibel Stark Barragan
Stark Hallibel Barragan
Hallibel Barragan Stark
I see one thing not happening and that is Barragan who is stronger than Hallibel. From the ‘you’re … Aizen. No, you’re … me Hallibel’ I believe that Hallibel know more from Aizen’s plan than Barragan.
Wow. I have a question. What are the captains and espada doing during these fights? Just floating there and trash talking some more? I mean, Yumi’s fight alone took probably ten minutes. Even if the others go at the same time, that’s a little long to be trash talking. The captains should attack while Aizen is still screwed over.
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I think Mila Rose said shut up to Linette and Stark while they werent hearing her.
I woudnt be surprised if Kubo showed the last rankings AFTER the fraccion vs vice-captain fight, and it seems it gonna take a while. Oh well school is starting next week can take some time of the manga reading.
There’s a few things that just stand out with tway they address him like he’s cluelesshe conversation between the top 3 espada that just makes me think.
1. Barragan cannot be primero for alot of reasons but some of them stand out more than others. For starters
1) Halibel and stark seem to know way more than he does just by the way they treat him like an idiot. Baragan said “the boss in trapped in there” come on now don’t you think Aizen would know about the Zanpaktou abilities of the commander General and the other Gotei 13? the man is not an idiot to begin with the only idiot i’ve seen so far are the espada that think they’re the bomb, in which case they’re the first to get beaten.
2) Lilineth and halibel’s fraccion were obviously annoyed that they were allowing him to do as he pleases, which tells me 1 thing their bosses are stronger.
As for who’s primera it’s between halibel and stark and it’s anyone’s guess, stark is far too lazy to be a weakling, and halibel hasn’t even shown what she’s made of yet much less shown any semblance of emotion or fear. to be quite honest she’s probably one scary woman if she were to get angry. stark as well, the quiet ones are pretty scary too when they get annoyed.
To be quite honest i’d be happy if either one of them were primera. Halibel however is definitely the sleeper character here you can’t ignore she’s a complete mystery.
Actually… the way I see it, Mira Rose was telling Stark to shutup for causing a ruckus and yelling out “OW WTF MY LEG” and stuff… in the manga and anime, this stuff always happens… this dude gets hit, he starts crying out in pain, and others tell him to shut up. I don’t see anything to analyze here about Mira Rose’s reaction (I think it was added for comical effect) but Lillinete’s reaction was definitely a major factor to consider.
I think that Ukyo means that she’s telling shut up to someone who is way stronger than her. Think of Lolly and Menoly. They were already afraid of Ulquiorra. And one of the privaron was afraid of Nnoitra. Then why would she say such thing if Stark is surprised by Lilinet’s attack?
Because Stark isn’t a callous zombie or a bloodthirsty maniac like the aforementioned Espada. A random idiot human could probably kick him in the nuts and he wouldn’t kill them. Can you imagine if somebody did that to Ulquiorra?
Don’t they (Bleach dev. team) said that stark and halibel and 3rd and 2nd, i’ve seen them in the manga as 3rd and 2nd, and the old guy was entitled king by his fraccion and when aizen is trapped he takes over the espada don’t you remember…
YES !!!! SPOILER !!!
However their fraccion doesn’t agree to it. We don’t know what Aizen’s plans are. First it seemed like he wanted to take over the world with all the espada, however he didn’t ask Hallibel to safe Grimmjow and Nnoitra. Now there are only five left, if you count yammy.
I believe that only the first knows the real plan, the second possibly also a bit and the third was only told about the attack. As for now, it seems that Barragan only knows about the attack as he believes that Aizen is out for a while. Hallibel clearly disapproves and Lilinet shows us that Stark is possibly stronger than Barragan.
For the title of Barragan from his fraccion can I give three explanations. One is that Barragan believes that he’s the best. Next would be that his fraccion want to kill him like that. Last and to me least likely is that he truely is first.
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Well things sure have been slow lately. Hopefully there will be more discussion once these lieutenant vs. fraccion fights are over.
Well since it’s been slow lately in both the manga and the Anime (I hate Amagai’s arc) I thought of something… I was wondering who has been the most successful Espada so far? so I came up with the good and bad shots of each Espada and to me I think Grimmjow had to most success in what he did…
The list below is my prediction from 1 to 3 and 4 to 10 is revealed by the Manga
1- Barragan: Good moves: None
Bad Moves: Going on with stupid moves that didn’t change anything (his first wave of minions crushed and then his suppose strong Fraccion, Charlotte is down already
2- Haribel: Good moves: Always seem to see exactly the truth (Barragan under estimating Aizen and analizing Ichigo’s powers)
Bad moves: None so far
3- Stark: Good Moves: He got Orihime alone with Ichigo and Kenpachi around
Bad Moves: He let Barragan took charge without saying anything and he looked extremely weak when Yama-ji did his spell to trap Aizen
4- Ulquiorra: Good Moves: He succeeded to kidnap Orihime, He defeated Ichigo without his released form, He realized that Inoue had a tremendous talent.
Bad moves: He didn’t kill Ichigo when he had the chance on 2 occasions, He has been outsmarted by Grimmjow and got trapped to another dimension, He didn’t understand Inoue’s powers correctly (but meh)
5- Nnoitra: Good moves: He defeated Chad, Ichigo and Grimmjow but they were all weakened from previous fights, (Chad, it wouldn’t have changed anything tho)He outsmarted Nel along with Szayel to kick her out of the Espada.
Bad moves: Grew Impatient, went out of his quarter and got dispatched by Kenpachi
6- Grimmjow: Good moves: He defeated Ichigo twice, He killed Luppi to take back his spot among the Espada, He defeated Rukia easily twice, He outsmarted Ulquiorra and trapped him into another Dimension, He has a code of honor to fight Ichigo at full strength for their last battle, He organized a somehow successfull attack on karakura town. (Nearly defeated Hitsugaya’s team and he won HIS battle vs Ichigo)Fighting on par with Shinji Vaizard’s form with only one arm and injured from his fights with Rukia and Ichigo.
Bad moves: Getting his arm cut by Tousen, disobeing Aizen on several occasions (Can’t be good), He looked extremely weak when Aizen controlled him just by raising his Reiatsu, Went to the trouble to save Ichigo to be finally defeated in his released form.
7- Zommari Leroux: Good Moves: He tried to avenge his fallen Espada (noble move)
Bad Moves: Easily Dispatched by Byakuya
8- Szayel Apporo: Good Moves: He defeated Abarai and Uryuu alone, Was part of Nel being kicked out of the Espada.His Resurection inside Nemu’s body
Bad Moves: He was defeated by Mayuri but Props to him, he put up a very good fight even tho he fought Renji and Uryuu before.
9- Aaniero: Good moves: Did his job by sending information to the other Espada Absorbing Kaein
Bad moves: Beeing killed by Rukia isn’t something to brag about
10- Yammy: Good Moves: He defeated Chad and Inoue. He took advantage when Ichigo’s hollow wne in the way and nearly defeated him
Bad Moves: Got his arm cut by Ichigo, He got his ass kicked by Yoruichi and Kisuke.
I may have forgot some good or bad moves and if you come up with something just add them to this list
. I did this for fun since nothing is really happening in the manga. What you guys think, wich Espada has done the most so far?? 
Szayel has by far outshone any Espada up to date. The fact that Mayuri came and defeated him using far-fetched and ridiculously unbelievable tactics was truly the only way Kubo could have eliminated this monster who had grown to consume the manga. Imo szayel should have been 5-6 espada, not 8. And i still don’t think he’s dead. the poison will wear off and yeah he got stabbed in the heart but since when does that kill bleach characters lol
who do the people here think was the strongest fraccion? I vote Edorad.
Yeah, to me Ulquiorra, Szayel and Grimmjow have been the most spectacular espadas so far… I think the order SHOULD be #4 Ulquiorra #5 Grimmjow and #6 Szayel #7 Nnoitra #8 Yammy #9 Zommari and #10 Aaniero from what we saw so far….
About the Fraccions, Lilinette is probably very strong but we have yet to see her fight. So far Edorad, Shawlong and Illfort have been the most impressive. My vote goes to Shawlong. Even tho he faced Hitsugaya at 20% of his strength, he did the most damage and he was the former leader of Grimmjow’s party. He has to be the strongest of Grimmjow’s fraccion.
I also noticed that alot of people say that Ulquiorra is closest to Halibel but I think Stark is most like ulquiorra. They both walk wit their hands in their pockets and stark usually has a frown/bored look on his face. From what we have seen of stark, he fights like Ulqy too, casual and minimal effort.
what it should be #4 ulqy, #5 szayel, #6 grimmy, #7 zommari (he is actually quite powerful, it’s just that Byakuya was basically tailored to kill him), #8 nnoitra, #9 Aaroniero, #10 Yamster. Just switch nnoi wit szayel.
I actually think that zommari is under-appreciated. I really do feel disappointed because he was such a waste. He had the fastest sonido and an ability to control whatever he sees. If he had fought anybody other than Byakuya he would have taken the victory.
I am not impressed with nnoitra. I think he was completely outclassed by the other espada save the weakest two. He was slow and didn’t have any special long ranged attacks. If he fought a long range opponent he wouldn’t win. His defense was quite high but not THAT high. Neliel was able to cut him no prob. So yeah Nnoitra should have remained #8.
Hmm Szayel higher than Grimm seems a bit too much… yes Szayel did good but Mayuri, Uryuu and Renji aren’t even close to Ichigo in terms of Strength… but I still agree he should be higher than Nnoitra and Zommari.
You might be right about that, but I have a feeling that if Ichigo went up against Szayel he would lose. In fact, I think only a few characters could beat him because he is basically hax in the flesh. Mayuri had the prep time, Szayel didn’t. Reversing that scenario would translate to Mayuri’s head on a pike. Like Zommari, it just happened to be the perfect scenario to kill him.
I really am confused about how the espada are ranked. You can’t rank people’s powers because of who they could kill because they compliment their enemies in different ways. Sure Zaraki killed #5, but #7 would wipe the floor with him because Zaraki doesn’t have what it takes to beat Zommari’s speed and amor. I think Grimmjow could beat Zaraki as well by flying around and raining desgarrion, elbow missles, and ceros at him until he dropped. Does this mean that #6 and #7 are more powerful than #5? I guess not. Otherwise they wouldn’t be #6 and #7. Zaraki better thank God he happened to end up with Nnoitra rather than Grim, Zom, or Szayel! Same with Byakuya and Zommari. He would have come up short against Grimmjow in my opinion.
It’s a good point you bring in now… it reminds me of direct attack zanpaktou and demon magic zanpaktou… the demon magic ones are usually considered cheap but in the end they win kinda often over the direct types one…. The thing you must consider though is shinigamis are the good guys and I don’t think any of them will lose any battle (and to me it sux a bit). In any war there are casualties and Kubo should really considered this… He could kill some of the lieutenents and captains to even the odds a bit… It’s ok if the shinigamis win in the end but they should lose some battle and I don,t see it happen. (Unless of course the shinigami survive the fight like Ichigo vs Grimmjow).
Kira owned against Abirama. 2 battles left then to the real business…is it just me or has this site been empty for a while? I would estimate 3 chapters to see the Ikkau/Hisagi vs Pou/Findor fight end.
Yeah the site has been kinda empty.
Anyway I also agree Grimmjow done his job the best followed by Szayel, but as we know like the Captains, the espada have a speciality.
Captains:
Yamamoto – Strenght
Soifon – Mobility
Gin – He’s kinda all round, while not being one of the strongest, even tho he is powerful.
Unohana – Kidou
Aizen – Strenght, Kidou
Byakuya – Int, Mobility, Fitness
Komamura – Defense
Shunsui – Strenght, Kidou
Tousen – Int
Hitsugaya – He’s kinda all round, but prob isn’t nearly the strongest Captain.
Zaraki – Strenght
Mayuri – Int
Ukitake – Int, Kidou
Espada:
Yammy – Strenght
Aaroniero – Int
Szayel – Int
Zommari – Mobility
Grimmjow – Strenght, Fitness
Nnoitra – Strenght, Defense
Ulquiorra – Strenght, Int
The top three are unknown in number, and speciality.
So in a way, some Captains no matter the strenght may lose to a weaker Espada, such as Zaraki losing against Zommari and Szayel and Soifon losing to Nnoitra and Szayel, so basically only Mayuri had a chance to defeat Szayel if it were anyone else they prob would have lost, Soifon prob could have beaten Zommari, but if she was getting way too cocky it could have been her end.
ive watched the anime and read the manga
so this is wat is going on the first three i am unsure tho my theory is that the espada r a replicate of the captains
1.old dude (captain commander)
2. the lazy man (8th squad captain)
3.tanned chick (soifon)
4.ulquira (he showed his rank number to ichigo)
5.Nnoitra (number on the tung)
6.Grimjow (revealed to ichigo)
7.black guy (fights byakya in manga)
8.Szayelaporro (fights renji and ishida)
9.Ariniro ( fought rukia)
10.yammy (revealed to uhrahara)
as i said im only sure from the 4th espada past
and as for Nnoitra he thinks his the best but he really isn’t
and Ulquira when he kills ichigo he tells him that if u where able to defeat me there are 3 stronger espadas and aizen then he stabs ichigo in the neck and leaves
and sorry about the bad spelling
lol
and u guys try to argue about 4th espada past i got proff
and the seatings on the table and stuff are random
This is the order of the espada.
[real order]100% true.
im an espada freak, xDDD
1.Stark Diaz
2.Halibel San-Gabriel
3.Barragan Bautista /Neliel Tu Oderschvank
4.Ulquiorra Shiffer
5.Nnoitra Jiruga
6.Grimmjow Jaggerjaques /Luppi
7.Zommari Leroux
8.Szayel Apollo Grantz
9.Aaroniero Marijuananiero
10.Yammy
Of course Stark is number one, because he is such a developed espada that he has no mask. halibel is number two, because she is mirrored with captain number two from the soul society. And, that old man with the moustache is three becuasehe has three wrinkles on this forehead.
Quietstorm, that is an impressive list. But you forget Stark’s achievement in chapter 244: He told an entire room of Espada to shut up and they did till Aizen arrived. Nnoitra the death wish guy, Grimmjow the rebel and even Barragan the so-called Majesty’, all stayed silent. If that isn’t an instance of one Espada taking charge of his peers I don’t know what is.
It reminded me of school assemblies where the head prefect or monitor would tell the rest of the kids to keep quiet till the teacher came in.
And I haven’t posted much because these VC fights (other than being needless and boring) have given no clue to the Espada, except to suggest that Barragn is full of himself and is now being publicly humiliated with his ‘Dragons’ being defeated one-by-one by the ‘Ants’
Did none of you guys see ep 163? He shows his tatoo to ichigo. Guess what number he was. 4
Starky, I think that Stark said “shut up” to Nnoitora because at that time he was really noisy and yelling all around.Just like Mira Rose said “shut up” to Stark and Lilinette in the chapter 318; so according to that sentence would you say that Haribell is superior or stronger than Stark ?
One other thing, Barragan may not fail because one pillar is down, Karakura is coming back and the others ants are totally disrupting with their pillars are now without protection.
Mira Rose didn’t say it out loud if you notice. Her speech bubble is much smaller compared to the shouting going on with Lilli and Stark. Had she been as vocal then her bubble would be just as prominent.
It seemed more under her breath sorta thing.
Also at least one other scan (Ju-Ni) Mira Rose says “Damn they’re annoying…” So again, it strengthens the point that Halibel’s fraccions were irritated by Stark and Lillinetes antics, but in no way did they tell them to ‘shut up’ And even if they did, Lilli and Stark ignored them anyway :p
Also, just after Barragan’s so called taking charge, Lilli, a mere slip of a loli makes a ruckus that is heard by Halibel and Barragan himself. And he doesn’t tell her to shut up, or tell Stark to rein her in. Just after he took charge? It’s like Lilli and Stark completely ignore the guy on the throne and did their own thing so loudly it annoyed Halibel’s fraccion. Seriously. its a clue as to where Barragan is vis-a-vis Stark – below him in rank.
Halibel is a mystery. Kubo could surprise us by having her be Primera. But based on the clues in the manga I believe she is third.
The spoilers for 326 suggest that in the end, even though it seems we have a mini-crisis at the moment, Barragan’s fraccions will fail. Barragan was doomed to failure the minute he dissed Aizen-sama and whipped out his throne.
Forgot to add
When Stark said shut up in 244, Kubo shows us his hands on the table. The pose is that of someone taking charge. It’s an imperative.
And yes, in the anime it may have been directed at Nnoitra (manga is less evident) but the net result was that no Espada made a peep after, right until Aizen arrived. That suggests no Espada wanted to counter what Stark had said. Primera? I think so
1 STARK
2 OLD MAN
3 SEXY GIRL
Stark telling the rest of the lower ranks to shut up doesn’t make him primera. It does show (back then) that he was definitely one of the top dogs. Now that we know he’s one of the top 3 it all makes sense now. Halibel doesn’t say much at all. Barragan as well, that leaves 7 espada of which noitra was the noisiest and so he got yelled at by the lazy top 3 who was still sleepy. 327 better give us some insight on numbers cause I’m getting tired of the guessing games. In the end kubo can flip the numbers however he wants i just wish we’d know by now.
Well for me in the manga it was pretty obvious too that Stark’s talking to Nnoitora and not to the all Espada.And after his (Stark) warning, nobody is talking because they don’t have anything else to say about the invaders and the three espada shown by Kubo after Stark were Yammy the last, Grimmjow who didn’t talk/react until he knew that was Ichigo and Ulquiorra who act just like he uses to do.
Anyway I really don’t understand why so many fans don’t give a s*** about Barragan taking in charge and say that he’s to big mouth to be primera; and in the other hand find a hint in a fraccion reaction (Lilinette) who is also as big mouth as Barragan.I mean maybe she just don’t admit that her beloved Stark isn’t primera or she just don’t like Barragan (a lolicon flashback xD) and think that they (Stark and her) must only obey to Aizen and nobody else.
And one other thing Lilinette said that Stark wouldn’t have to be agree with Barragan’s leading and she think that he has to stop him BUT that doesn’t mean Stark is primera, Lilinette didn’t say you’re the primera do something.
If you’re agree that’s not the primera Espada (Barragan) who can take the commandment, he could also be that a lower Espada (Stark) can be push by his fraccion to show he is disagree about that.For me it’s more than Lilinette don’t want Barragan to be the leader (even if his primera) rather than she’s trying to tell us that Stark is primera.
And despite that loud reaction, both Barragan & Haribell just didn’t notice about it.Maybe they afraid about the primera or maybe they just don’t give a f*** about the fraccion’s feelings of the third one.
One other thing, many fans think that when Stark was afraid by Yama’s shikai it was because his personnality and if it was Ulquiorra instead of Stark he didn’t react at all.Ok just say that is true; now change Barragan by Ulquiorra, would you say that Ulquiorra will take the lead if he’s not the primera in that war configuration ?
I don’t think so but maybe he will !
Last point, Kubo is actually showing us Barragan like a central character (in the panel and surround by Stark and Haribell), just like Aizen (Espada meeting, between Tousen and Gin) and Yama (Captains meeting and in the center of the SS formation).And that’s a clue who makes me think that Stark is the primera of course ^^.
Man you guys love to complicate things. Chapter 244 shows Stark telling everyone to shut up. Not just Nnoitra, no scanlation or translations says he named “Nnoitra’. And the result is the whole room of Espada, not just 10-4, kept quiet. That is what the manga shows us. This includes ‘King’ Barragan and Halibel.
Saying that the Espada had nothing to say or that Stark was only talking to low-level Espada is not borne by what the manga shows. So that’s just unproven assumption. But go ahead and make them, I’ve done my fair share. But to argue Stark was just telling Nnoi or the other Espada didn’t say anything because they had nothing to say and with no evidence to back it up is moot.
Kubo intended it that way. Directly after Stark tells them to keep quiet we get the Espada two page spread.
244: Stark says shut up = ALL Espada shut up
well I don,t speak japanese so I don’t know how it was in the original version but in english it really looked like he told Nnoitra to shut up directly because he was the only one being Noisy… Noitra did shut up tho…
Before I start, I give you my ranking :
1-Barragan
2-Haribell
3-Stark
(the podium theory) and my favorite espada is Haribell.Just for information
I don’t think that it’s complicate think, to observe that Stark says “shut up” just after Nnoitora yelling and also because his (Nn) was next to him.
Yeah all the espada don’t talk after that, (in fact Haribell doesn’t talk until her altercation with Nnoitora – him again !) but Stark didin’t say it loud like an order or a threat for all of them, so for me it just a coïcidence, like I said above, maybe they’ve nothing else to say.And of course Kubo shows us after that scene, a larger view of the Espada it’s just logic (even if we can doubt about Kubo having one) as logic as Stark’s telling Nnoitora to be quiet after he was screaming and yelling like a crazy High School Musical teenager fan xD.
That was for the english version, but I’ve got another version of that chapter.The french version (yeah I’m french, so sorry for my english & if I’ve made some english mistakes), and in that one who’s also as correct and good as the english translation, the scantrad team (Bankai-Team) shows us that Stark specifically talks to Nnoitora.Stark said (in french) “Ferme la” and “(…) arrête de faire autant de boucan”.The french team didn’t conjugate the verbs in the plural; so in french that means this warning was send to Nnoitora/or only one of the Espada (same in the french subtitles for the anime).
Well in the anime even if I prefer talking about the manga’s scenes, there is a tiny (curious!?) detail when the Espada are coming into the meeting room.If you look closely, you’ll see that the two first Espada were Barragan and Haribell when the doors opens.Maybe a sign of respect (or gallantry for Haribell) by the other (lowers) espada or maybe not; just like Stark talking to all the Espada or maybe not !
And Stark in the anime look and turn his head on his left, where Nnoitora is, when he complained about the noise.
I think we’re gonna need someone who knows japanese for that scene and telling us if Stark’s talking to one espada or all of them.
Let just say it’s a draw for that chapter/scene and now we can debate on others clues and chapters ^^.
wow Sonic I’m french too! (french Canadian actually) I listen to bleach episodes in english tho… I usually don’t like french translations since it sounds more like French from France and as you know here in Quebec our french is wayyy different…
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alright, first of all barragan is the name of the old espada. secondly, he is probobly the first espada because he stated that he was in charge when old man Yamatto cut the three leaders off. Stark and Halibel could be either/or. thats all i have for now.
For quietstorm, I’m living in “l’île de la Réunion”.
Now, and just like my new friend did with a few message above mine, I want to submit an analysis/a theory about the TOP 3 and why (for me) it goes at Baragan – Haribell – Stark.
Well like I said it’s a theory with a sociological observation of the TOP 3 composition based on how the humans (we) live and what kind of structure we have etc…
Ok I start :
First of all, I will say that the TOP 3 Espada are totally logical.I mean that we have (in appearance) an old man, a woman and a young guy.And in our society we also have that kind of structure.
So let’s go deeper in this reflexion and why Barragan for me is one.
-Barragan : like I said he’s old, not on age since we don’t know it but by his physical appearance.Also like we all know in Japan, old means strong, respect, chief, leader, etc…
In more their population (just like in France) are getting older.
We (the occident) also have that kind of figure, we all know about some old general, or indian chief…; I mean a patriarchal system leads by an man often old, wise with a glorious past that made a lot for the community (Barragan’s scars and all his royal objects).
People often choose and vote for the older one that give them conficence and they feel secure.
So Barragan he’s the perfect guy that fit in the primera costume, if we follow a scientific logic.
-Haribell : well first, I think she’s two because that make a M-W-M sequence.Now if we continue our social observation what will we have right after the (grand) father leader; you guess right, it’s the feminine touch, a woman face, in other words a mother.
The mom role just fit to Haribell, she’s calm, do her job quietly, never starting a fight, seems very clever… and we can also say that on her way she raises and educates the kids (with her fraccions during the Grimm-Ichi fight).She always remind to the other to follow the rules and give them advices.
And in most of society/system the woman is often in the second place for responsability and all stuff like that.
-Stark : now we have Stark, who is younger in appearance than Barragan and his a male.So that shows for me the/his son role.And he has all the characteristics.He always lazy, don’t care about what happened, totally deconnected about the reality…
He’s strong, capable, maybe genius (the Inoue mission scene) but he’s not enough serious, just like a big majority of the young people in our actual society (I count myself in).
He (and Lilinette) also have the comic part that we can decrypt with the fact that he’s a child and just want to play and to have fun.
So what do you think about my theory, am I overthinking ?
Well, I have some others theory about the ranking or we can just analyze again the Espada interaction during the last chapters.
I think that the order would be
1.Stark – I think this because he is extremely limited with what we know about him up to this point. That leaves him to be sort of a wild card and with most of the higher numbers already revealed with the exception of 7 he almost has to be on of the top.
2.Halibel (girl espada) – I think that she has to be a very high rank as well. For her to be the only arrancar accomplished enough to be a ranked espada she has to be pretty badass, also she is also quiet and pretty observant.
3. Barragan (old espada) – It has been shown in anime repeatedly that the old guy is always amazing. Even earlier in bleach when the captain of the first squad busted out his zanpakto and even ukitake and the other captain didnt want to fight even though it was 2 on 1. He almost has to be in the top.
4. Ulquiorra – It makes sense for him to be number 4 because he too is very observant. He should be right around the middle (probably the upper middle) because he is used for mundane tasks. Although is is also Aizens pet meaning he has to be pretty important meaning definatly at least top 5.
5. Nnoitra – In order for Nnoitra to easily defeat Chad and Ishida like he did he has to be top 5 as well. The only real mistake i think im making is that Ulquiorra and Nnoitra might be switched around. I dont know if any of you have gotten thus far but Nnoitra is eventually defeated by Zaraki which means that i dont think Nnoitra is in the top 3.
6. Grimmjow – It has been repeatedly meantioned and is widly known that Grimmjow is number 6.
7. Zommari (Dark Espada) – This is the other flaw that i may have. This one is based on gut instinct alone basically. I can see Zommari maybe replacing any mistakes that are made in the sterotype pattern of my first 3.
8. Szayelaporro – I really dont know much about this character but he seems to be maybe the espada equivalent of Mayuri. I read a spoiler that says that the two actually fight although i have not made it that far in the series. But considering Mayuris strength and how alike the the two are. Im banking to say that he isnt so much raw power he just has some neat tricks. Im pretty confident with Szayelaporro at number 8.
9. Aaroniero – if youve made it the fight fight between him and Rukia you already know hes number 9.
10. Yammy – Its widely known that Yammy is number 10.
Corey… you seem late on the news…. they’ve all been revealed except the top 3…. Zommari is #7 Noitra #5 and Ulquiorra #4…
the known order so far is
#4 Ulquiorra
#5 Noitra
#6 Grimmjow
#7 Zommari
#8 Szayel
#9 Aaniero
#10 Yammy