Let’s have an exercise in futility: ranking the Espada. There have been many number theories and mathematical sequences generated in order to create a logical order to the ranking of the Espada but so far none have been correct. Because I’m bored, let’s talk about what you think the ranking of the Espada might be. There might be spoilers below so don’t click if you’re not caught up with the manga. I have included a picture of the infamous tea party table seating for reference (click for bigger).
Here’s my personal prediction on the ranking:
1. Ulquiorra
2. Nnoitra
3. Stark
4. Old Espada
5. Halibel
6. Grimmjow
7. Zommari
8. Szayelaporro
9. Aaroniero
10. Yammy
Bolded names are the confirmed rankings by manga. All the rest are based on gut feeling with no complicated number sequences or formulas, except for Noitora – I think he is #2 based on what he told Telsa. He thinks he’s the strongest Espada but yet he’s not recognised as the strongest, so this probably means he’s #2. And I think Ulquiorra is #1 because he’s so damn intelligent and analytical, and he is Aizen’s pet as well.
This is the current actual rankings as revealed by the manga, together with my new predictions:
1. Stark
2. Halibel
3. Old Espada
4. Ulquiorra
5. Nnoitra
6. Grimmjow
7. Zommari
8. Szayelaporro
9. Aaroniero
10. Yammy
So let me hear all your theories and predictions on the rankings of the Espada!
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Oh okay, well then i was right as of what i already had
XD
hoping my other 3 are right as well.
I have an other small detail just like the one in the 145 anime episode.This one is in the manga, chapter 315 on the great TOP 3 double pages (12-13).
Well on those pages, if you look at the Lilinette’s mask, there is some kind of picture/tatoo.And that tatoo seems representing a sort of “reverse” 3.
Yeah pretty unbelievable, huh xD; so is that a hint for Stark ranking, maybe-maybe not ?
I think we can all agree that it’s totally up in the air who’s number 1 and who’s number 3 at this point. Kubo has done a very good job at keeping it under wraps and not hinting too much as to who is really in charge. On the 1 hand we have Baraggan taking charge after Aizen and his boys get trapped in the fire barrier. Good traits of a #1 leader or of someone looking to prove himself we don’t know. We have Stark – the lazy easy going guy that likes to sleep. He’s already proven he has great authority when he chooses to voice his opinions but so far he’s only done a few things (1 being retrieving Inoue) Then there’s Halibel. She’s been kept secretive so far, as to her true powers or anything she hasn’t even made a move only voiced her opinions a few times. All this can just be to throw us off as to who truly is in charge, we’ll just have to wait and see.
Well, we’ve got no answers in this week chapters, so I have some others details for you guys ^^.
Actually it’s some details about how Kubo “drew” the TOP 3.
First, just look at the traitors group, we always seeing them draw the same way where/when they appear.Aizen is in front of the group and in the middle, follow by Gin who is just behind him (on his right or left no matters )and Tousen who’s in the back and far behind Aizen.We can see that on chapter 244 (page 18) and also on the chapter 316 (04-05).
And my theory is based from those pages (ch 316, pg 04-05) where you can see what I’ve described above (Aizen in front etc..) but also the TOP 3 with the same caracteristic.
Yes it seems if you look closely at it, that you can see in this double pages with the perspective and how Kubo drew it, that Barragan is clearly in front of the Espada, with Haribell just a bit behind him and Stark in the background.
So if the TOP 3 is like a mirror for the 3 ex-Captains and according to my theory, it could be that Barragan is 1 (Aizen), Haribell is 2 (Gin) and Stark is 3 (Tousen).
You got good eyes Sonic, I never noticed that before. Your theory about the Baragan 1(Father), Hallibel 2(Mother) and Stark 3(Son) is good to. For me I think Halibel is Espada nr 3 and the rest im unsure.
Well, I hope that Kubo will not put Haribell 3 and I really want her above Stark.
Anyways, I was wrong when I said that there wasn’t a hint about the ranking in this week chapter.
Actually we’ve got a Pô’s sentence on page 13 who said that : “(…) one of Barragan’s Fraccion”, in other words a Fraccion of the strongest one.
It’s seems pretty similar to the Lilinette reaction.
And I forgot something about my previous theory.On the chapter 315 page 14, it seems that Haribell is a bit behind Stark, so we can also switch each other for their rank.
However, I have another theory based on the observation of the 3 Captains and the TOP 3 that can show why Stark could be the third.That theory is also based on the similar things between the SS Arc and the HM arc.
But just talk about it another time ^^.
Sonic: While Barragan could be the top Espada, I think you’re really missing the point. What do you think the purpose of the recent fraccion battles was? Kubo was trying to illustrate the power of Barragan’s fraccion and the gap between their strength and that of the vice captains. Right from the start, Barragan took the lead, acting as the stand in leader. But would a real leader of the Espada be as incompetent as him? He completely and utterly failed. Sure, a pillar was knocked down, but Soul Society undermined Po and essentially reversed everything he did. I seriously doubt Kubo wanted his strongest Espada to immediately fail in his first real appearance.
If anything, Barragan seems to be a red herring; it’s a ruse, nothing more. The fact that Barragan appeared to be in charge and failed so miserably indicates that he shouldn’t really be in charge. In fact, I would question Kubo’s judgement if he made this Espada the strongest one. If you want an example of effective strategizing, just look at Stark; in one simple maneuver, he reversed the events of the entire HM arc. In literally 3 pages, he was able to do this without any outside help. Whether you like him or not, you cannot deny that he is incredibly capable – moreso than any other Espada we’ve seen in action.
As far as Halibel goes, she’s a wildcard. I don’t know much about her, but I would question her leadership abilities with the way some of the other Espada (Nnoitra, Barragan) treat and even downright disrespect her. Could someone like that, capable as they are, truly be an effective leader if the other Espada wouldn’t even let her take charge?
While everything is currently up in the air, I feel that we are drawing closer to the final revelation of the top 3 (possibly even in the next chapter). What we need to understand is that Kubo doesn’t have to follow any logic or conventions when he comes up with the final verdict; so all my observations could be for naught. In any event, I eagerly await the outcome. My final guess is this:
1. Stark
2. Halibel
3. Barragan
Well, first the real leader of the Espada is Aizen and nobody else, so Barragan plays the leader role actually but he’s not the real one and he said it (until the boss…).
Also like everybody Stark fan says, be a leader don’t mean to be the strongest so I return you that logic if you say that Barragan couldn’t be the strongest one because is actually not a good leader.
And I clearly don’t think that Stark or Haribell could do better in that situation, also if Barragan isn’t the number 1, the real one is guilty too for letting him giving orders.
So, Stark just change the face of the HM arc ok, just like Ulquiorra did before by his trap for Inoue.But the point is that was Aizen’s order, Stark doesn’t change one thing except that he obeys to an Aizen order, just like Ulquiorra before and since that the Aizen plan to trap some Captains and reduce the SS force was perfect.
And by the way Tousen also change the SS arc by the fact it was him who retrieved Rukia, just Stark did in the HM arc, and don’t tell me that Tousen even if I like him, is the strongest one of the group (another coincidence ?).Even if Stark is capable that doesn’t mean is the strongest, Aizen use to delegate all the missions at somebody who’s not number 1 (Tousen-Rukia, Tousen-Vizard, Gin-Ichigo, Ulquiorra-Inoue, so Stark-Inoue ???)
All of those 3 could be the primera, but Stark already make a move, so as Barragan not himself but his Fraccion, so the conclusion is that Haribell is primera ? To continue in that way, like you said Kubo maybe wouldn’t made is primera so “incompetant”, but would him plays the ace card on the HM arc, I mean show the primera in action before the two and three and at that time we didn’t even know the name of one of them ??? So that just let us Haribell for primera.
For the Fraccion’s battle I see it like a fan service to know about the true powers of Kira, Yumichika, Hisagi and Komamura and not to know about Barragan’s true powers.It’s the same logical like the HM arc the good guys always win.And if I follow the logic, Grimmjow deserved to be in the TOP 3 and not Barragan.
And Barragan maybe sacrifice his fraccion for the sake of the Espada (just like Aizen did for his trap, maybe another strange coïncidence ? xD).
And I think that if Kubo doesn’t put Barragan one so why ? Why the crown, the Yama style like, the throne, hide is name until the end of the HM arc, hide is fraccion’s too (what happen to the sabertooth one), let him giving orders, doesn’t show his zampa yet, name him “Barragan” (just by his name I think he is clearly one but maybe that’s because I’m french), the sun and center symbol… a Somarie effect ?
You say it maybe a trick and I miss the point, so it will be a well done to Kubo for me, but totally illogic.
And I almost forgot, when we knew that Aizen was the bad guy, he took care of everything, to “kill” Hinamori until have the Hogyouku, so just wait until the Espada and not they Fraccion fight before we said that Barragan fail or not.
He could be a double/triple twist because we’re in a mangas
Sonic: Barragan referred to Aizen as “the boss,” so he clearly doesn’t think as much of his leader as some of the other Espada (Halibel, Ulquiorra, Zommari). By this logic, we can also assume that Barragan THINKS he’s the strongest; just because he thinks he’s the king of the Espada doesn’t mean he’s ranked first. On the other hand, I wouldn’t put it past Kubo to make Barragan 1st Espada, but actually have Stark and Halibel be stronger than him (and possibly even usurp his power at some point).
As far as Stark being a poor leader goes, we don’t really have any evidence for that. All we know is that he’s either too lazy or too indifferent to give the command. I’m not saying Barragan isn’t first, I’m just saying that he seems too full of himself to be the real deal.
I notice that you’re drawing parallels between Ulquiorra ending the arrancar arc and Stark ending HM. While similar, both events are very different from one another. In the first, Ulquiorra approaches two unnamed Shinigami and kidnaps Orihime after taking them out. I can assure you that the two unnamed Shinigami were incredibly weak and would be no trouble even for someone like Yammy. This event is significant because of the surprise factor; who carried it out is irrelevant. The second event involved Stark approaching two strong captain level opponents (Ichigo and Zaraki, albeit wounded) and in 3 pages undermining all the work and effort of the entire arc. Not only was Stark able to do this, but he didn’t even have to threaten or harm anyone. I can’t seriously think of another Espada that could have taken Orihime back so quickly and without a fight.
I’m not saying that Stark is first, nor that Barragan isn’t; I’m just trying to analyze the situation as it unfolds. But to answer your question of why Barragan wouldn’t be primera: because it’s too obvious. With the way he took charge, I’m sure there are a lot of people out there that think he’s the top one. But it seems like a trick. You can argue that he sacrificed his fraccion for the greater good of the Espada – but he failed in his mission, plain and simple.
It’s interesting that you bring up the fact that you are French, coupled with the fact that Barragan’s name leads you to think he’s the strongest. I’ve read that “barragan” in Spanish can be translated to “strong man” or “warrior.” While I wasn’t aware that it meant anything in French, that certainly has some validity. However, in case you weren’t aware, the name “stark” also has importance. “Stark,” in several languages (including English, German and Swedish) best translates to “strong” or “complete.” So your theory of why Barragan is the strongest could also be applied to Stark.
Of course, Kubo doesn’t have to follow my logic; I could be completely wrong. All I’m doing is adding another perspective so others can get a better insight into what is going on in Bleach.
Truth be told, Stark freaks me out more than any Espada. Did any of you notice something weird in the way he appeared and took Orihime? He simply appeared, and he simply vanished. Out of thin air and into thin air. What’s more is that Ichigo stood there with a “WTF?!” look on his face, yes… the SAME Ichigo who trained with Yoruichi (goddess of flash), fought Byakuya and Grimmjow (speed demons), and has a bankai that is supposedly faster than shunpo. Notice Ulquiorra in chapter 277 page 18. There are speed lines around to show that he had been traveling hectofast. But there aren’t any on Stark. No flash, no lines, no fade in, no sound effects. He was simply wasn’t there one nanosecond and was there the next (like filming then stoping the film, moving in the way, and starting again). Now watch the video entitled “Espada Ranks and Stark’s Powers” start to finish. That sent shivers down my spine.
Hi guys,
so why because I’m french, do I think that Barragan is first.Well it’s about a song/poem wrote in the XI century.It’s a kind of legend but it’s a commun cultural for the french like for all the world Santa, the tree musketeers or something like that.And I knew about Stark = Strong in German (his on the TOP 3) but strong it’s not strongest.
But first, I have something to tell about Stark.I something logical and maybe that’s why Kubo trick me well because I based on logics hints.
Well just take his mission that I’m a agree he did a great job, with class, the same class than Haribell when she wachted the fight between a resurrection 6 Espada and Vizard Bankai Ichigo, but I’m not talking of that.
So when Stark shows up we still were in the HM arc and the other Espada that had some interaction with the ennemies, were 9, 8, 7, 6, 5 and 4 and at the end Stark.
But that’s not my point, if we take the Inoue mission (ch 313, page 14), we first have a serious Stark when he arrived, then a “comical” Stark when Zaraki and Ichigo attacked him.
So honestly if I have to put a line for the face Stark made when he saw Zaraki and Ichigo that will be something like that : “huh, what do those dudes want to me ?”; Kubo cleary show us at the time that Stark was too powerful for ZarakIchigo.
Then we step to the invasion of Karakura and the chapter 316.
On the page 07 we got like before a serious Stark because it’s the great battle etc… but on the page 11 we got another comical face but that time if we honestly put a line on his face, it would be : “Oh my God ! WTF is that ?”; here I think but maybe I’m wrong that Kubo wants to show us that Stark could be weaker than Yama (who doesn’t ?) but also a bit afraid by is attack (yeah, it’s another level than Ichigo or Zaraki).Sorry I made it long but let’s talking about Barragan and his history.
So, like I said above, the Barragan name is extract from a french story/legend that calls “The song of Roland” or in french “La chanson de Roland”.I give you the both titles, that if you want more infos.And before just remember that we knew about that name on the chapter 315 and between now, Kubo made some flashback chapters.
What’s about that song of Roland; well it’s story about a knight during the reign of Charlemagne who is also a part of the story.It takes place during the fight between the Sarassin (Aizen/Espada) and Charlemagne (King of SS or Yama); some kind of holy war or crusades.In that “song” there is a “bad guy” named Baligant (in french).But we can also write it like that “Ballagan” (L and R are similar for japanese so we’ve got our Barragan).
So that Baligant/Barragan (Espada) received a demand from the Sarassin (composed by African, Muslim and Spanish) to help them for their war against Charlemagne.But who was Baligant/Barragan.
He was an emir from Babylon (the Cairo one), king of 40 country (the crown and jewels) and the strongest king of the Sarassin army.Barragan created an army for the Sarassin to fight Charlemagne (Espada).
And by the way an emir in Orient means commander (Barra takes the lead).And remember it’s on the chapter 315 before our Barragan really taking the lead in the manga.
Now some desription about Baligant/Barragan.In the song they said that Barragan is the alter-ego of Charlemagne (Yama).They both old, with great prestance, white hairs, brave and heroic etc… well a typicall great mythological hero but he wasn’t christian and was the bad guy (Hollow/Espada and with Aizen).And he lived longer than Virgile or Homère.
Baligant/Barragan was also a famous swordsman equal to Charlemagne, in other words Baligant = Charlemagne.Baligant also takes his own decisions and takes advice from nobody (Haribell-Barragan)
The song also said that Baligant/Barragan had an ivory throne (bone throne) that was carry by his man/army.And Baligant/Barragan seems to have a kind of legendary sword called “precious” (no it’s not LOTR) with some legendary power; we still don’t know the Barragan’s zampa.
Baligant/Barragan is described like someone with large shoulders, very muscular, a ligth skin and has some stigmat about his previous fights and victories (scars).
Baligant/Barragan has the largest army (5 Fraccions) who called “the Dragons” by Charlemagne and he’s been followed by two other powerful kings : Marsile (a guy-Stark) and Bramidoine (a girl-Haribell).
Baligant/Barragan used to seat on his throne and gave orders to his army on the battlefield; he was considered like an expert on military strategies.
Another details, Baligant/Barragan have the sun for symbol (his belt).Baligant/Barragan killed one of Charlemagne’s army Vice-Captain (Sasakibe ?).Baligant/Barragan lost in the battle a son and a brother (maybe his Fraccions ?)
At the end Baligant/Barragan had an epic and legendary fight alone with Charlemangne (Yama) and almost killed the French King but he’s been helped by a divine intervention of the archangel Saint Grabriel (Vizard/Royal guard ???) and could kill Baligant/Barragan.
Baligant/Barragan is also described like someone who was an absolute master (so number 1 and the way he talked about Aizen).
That’s it and that’s why I think that Barragan is clearly the primera.
Sonic: That’s an interesting theory. Your argument is compelling and there would seem to be several parallels. However, I have yet to personally look into it, so for now it’s unverifiable. It is a very fascinating perspective, so I can completely understand your reasoning; but if Barragan is truly Primera Espada, he’s really going to have to redeem himself after carelessly throwing away his fraccion.
However it turns out, I suspect that we are closer to the truth. Now that the fraccion fights are over, the next logical move would be to show the Espada reacting to their loss. Perhaps then Kubo will let the ranks slip.
OK stark is definatly one of the top 3 but think about it the old espada has a crown hollow mask remains and sits on a throne if u want to find out more go to bleach.wikia.com and look up espada and also hints from the manga and anime say that grimmjow is at least as powerful as ulquorria if not stronger im just saying revise your thinking maybe
So real fight is coming and Barragan will move is ass.We just have to wait another volume (just like the flashback) made for the HM fight and after we’ve finally got our ranking or not ? ^^
Sonic you have a good point, but don’t forget the Arrancar and Espada all have something to with Spanish, so maybe there is a story similar to that, however I could be really wrong, as for now it’s impossible to tell who 1st is however my votes are as follows:
1.Stark
2.Halibel
3.Barragan
Well, now I see that I forgot to say that the story taked place in Spain, the Sarassin was the people who ruled Spain at that time; that’s why Charlemagne and the french fought them and after he could secure his kingdom.
And more than a Spanish origin the names of some Espadas were inspired by architects/designers :
10- Yammy : Yami is a Nepal woman architect
08- Szayel Apporo : Spanish architect named Zaera Polo
07- Zommari Leroux : here we got Leroux (Jean-Baptiste) who was a french architect from “L’Ancien Regime”
06- Grimmjow/Luppi : Nicholas Grimshaw a Britain architect and Italo Lupi
05- Nnoitora : a German one, Richard Neutra
04- Ulquiorra Schiffer : an italian designer, Patricia Urquiola
??- Stark : a French designer, Philippe Stark
??- Haribell : a mixed of Harry Bertoia
??- Barragan : a Mexican architect Luis Barragan
But can’t find anything about Aaroniero.
So the real fight begins :
-Barragan have two remains fraccion who will go against Soi Fong and (Zer)Oomeada.
-Hitsugaya and Matsumoto are surrounded by Haribell’s Fraccion
-And Stark with Lilinette will face Ukitake and Shunsui.
So it’s seems that Stark is first that will fight and either Haribell or Barragan seem moving, even if Barragan wants to revenge his lost fraccion but his two last fraccion begged to not going; they ‘ll take care.
So his that another hint for our rank, Ulquiorra starts (long time ago) a fight and now we’ve got Stark.
And maybe now Haribell have great chance to be the primera (ho hell yes!!!!!!!!!!!!^^).
Yep this site is finally active, heck maybe tomorrow they will reveal the top 3 espada ranks so we can sleep lol XD. But the worst that could happen is if Hallibel and Stark fraccion start fighting the remaining vice captains:
Choji (1st div vice cap)
Omaeda
Iba
Nanao?
Rangiku
seriously I would get more disappointed if they will show those fight first. Oh yea for some reason I forgot about the Ichigo/Ulquiorra fight. Sonic man, you write some darn long essays O_o
The chapter is not conclusive as to rankings. It’s all still pretty ambiguous.e.g
Barragan could be Primera because he is certainly fighting Yamamoto and is the mini-boss for this current round of fights
Halibel could be Primera because she is the most mysterious and is not matched with anyone
Stark could be Primera because he is facing two of the top Captains in SS, a feat only done beforehand by Yamamoto himself
I personally believe Halibel has gone to the pillars. She will face Komamura and the 5 VCs. If she was hanging with the others someone from SS would have confronted her like they did the other Arrancar.
And I see one top three Espada losing and maybe dying during these current round of fights.
Hi,
me too I think Haribell could be at the pillar.But we’ve got 3 pillars unprotected so, I’m not sure she will face somebody.
But for me the fact that Kubo saves two last fraccion for Barragan, it’s kind of strange no?
I mean we think that after the lost of his Dragon, Barragan will be angry and begins a fight or tell another Espada to make a move but no Kubo choose to delay his entry on the real fight.
Very suspicious, in my opinion.And I hope that the Espada win the war, and kill some good guy.
ermm.. you can hope espada win the war but we still have an ex-second squad captian, an ex-twelfe squad captain and an isshin kurosaki to worry about remember.then there is always ex-third espada aswel put your mind to work then we have an ex-ex- twelfe squad captain aswel (the one that got promoted to the royal guard)and who knows little momo could snap out of her aizen love and kick ass oh and did i forget to mention kidou corps captain tessai and we have the vizard that are out for aizen. so never for a second think that the espada are gonna win. they might destroy the three remaining pillars but the good guys will always win (even i hate that fact)there are too much introduced good guys for that to happen and did i forget nel tu’s fraccion
but thn again ichigo might have problems dealing with ulqiorra so sumone could help him maybe orihime bcuz she did get a little training from tessai’s vice-captain (the ‘chunky’ vizard) sorry for this long reply but all these factors have to be stated bcuz u all seem to be forgeting them
I think we’ve got some kind of confusion here.When I say, I hope the TOP 3 win the war I mean the actual thing aigainst the SS Captains.I’m not talking about the “global” war Aizen vs rest of the world.
Maybe I (we) should use the word battle, yes I hope the TOP 3 will win this battle against SS.
The only positive thing I can see from the upcoming ichigo vs Ulquiorra is seeing whether Ulqui is a Vl or not.
Other than that I am NOT looking forward to the contrived, plotkai that will see Ichigo beat Ulquiorra barely a few hours after getting pwned by him without even using his sword.
Oh and the ‘kurosaki-kunning!’ :p
SPOILER:
Actual rankings of the Espada:
1.Stark
2.Halibel
3.Barragan
4.Ulquiorra
5.Nnoitra
6.Grimmjow
7.Zommari
8.Szayel Apporo Grantz
9.Aaroniero Aruruie
10. Yammy
Looking at the tea party table, I just noticed that all the Espada seated on the right hand side have a higher number than their counterparts who are sitting opposite to them.
Left Side : ::9: ? 5 ? 4
Right Side:10 ? 8 7 6
Following this rule, means that:
Halibel>Baragan
Stark>Zommari (Already Known)
What do you guys think?
SPOILER (the true one):
Actual rankings of the Espada:
1.Barragan
2.Haribell
3.Stark
4.Ulquiorra
5.Nnoitra
6.Grimmjow
7.Zommari
8.Szayel Apporo Grantz
9.Aaroniero Aruruie
10. Yammy
I’m kidding xD ^^ ! Ho by the way jig no offense but you remind me some Stark Fan who edited the Bleach Wiki page and said that Stark is 1 and that was an information from Kubo’s interview.Very funny but maybe this will be the real ranking.
And for John, the party table, I’m not sure that we can get information about that, I think that the Espada and Kubo choose randomly their places.
Just have to wait about this week spoiler and to know if we stay in Karakura.And if we do and Stark fight first that will mean …???
I think the fact that Stark seems to be fighting Shunui and Ukitake kinda suggests he’s 1 and not 3??? If he is able to give those two captains anywhere near a decent fight he’s at least two because even Yamamoto was held in check by them for an extended period.
Hi,
with the who you fight logic, if Barragan fight alone Yama that means is primera because we know that Yama is the most powerful character actually in Bleach.
But here I’m talking about the codes and one of them is if someone fight first he isn’t the strongest of a group whoever it is (Stark, Barragan or Haribell)
Plus there is another thing, we don’t know if the TOP 3 are VL or not.
And if there are I think that the third can handle a fight against Shunsui and Ukitake.
Sorry I can edit my previous post.
So we got Hitsugaya against Haribell
Stark vs Shunsui
Barragan has no opponent.
It seems there’re fighting at the same time so forget about the rules xD.
Hitsugaya against Halibel?
Doesn’t Hitsugaya have to fight the fraccion of Hallibel together with Matsumoto?
I am almost sure that Stark is weaker than Barragan. When Stark retrieved Orihime, he was talking that he didn’t like it but that this was an order. If Stark actually joined a fight then that would also be an order. I don’t think he would have taken this order if Barragan is weaker.
Well Matsumoto take Haribell’s three Fraccion oO.
And Barragan doesn’t gave any order to anyone except his two last Fraccion.
We also learn that he is “Emperor Barragan Luisenbarn (?)”.
Then, we got a discussion between Shunsui and Stark, they both don’t want to fight or not at they maximun if Lilinette is still around.
And yeah Hitsugaya is fighting Haribell (really disappointed).
@Ukyo
where does Barragan order Stark around? The captains decided to square off. The only people Barragan has been ordering around are his fraccions
Stark has to fight if he is attacked. Unless he just avoids it or something. But its clear from his chat with Shunsui that he wants to fight, so Stark draws out his sword in response, not because anyone ordered him to.
I’d laugh so hard if Hitsugaya fights on par with Halibel one on one and Kubo never bothers to explain how he got so strong
Didn’t Hitsugaya get beaten by Luppi, and had Luppi not been so Stupid and followed through, hitsu been dead??
SO how on earth did he get paired with hali??
Well if Hitsugaya beats Hallibel, then that means that she is most defintly Espada nr 3. But I have a strong feeling that Hitsugaya will lose I mean come on.
When is Wonderwice gonna come out tho. He’s the Number 0 Espada!
@ yoyo:
No. That means that she is no more than number 8 and someone screwed us over a while back.
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too be honest, I am almost 100% sure that this is the correct order
1Stark = lazy guy
2Barragan = old espada
3Halibel = black chick
4Ulquiorra = we all know
5Nnoitra Jigura = guy with the moon sword
6Grimjaw = we all know
7Zommari = black guy
8 Szayel Aporro Grantz = guy with glasses
9Arronrio = Whole face masked
10Yammy = huge muscular guy
i look on many various sites to see what others thought and in conclusion this should be the correct order
Yeah but the fact is that there are more Stark Fan than the two others Espada so of course you always see Stark 1 on many, many sites.
Just again on this week spoil some japanese Stark fan made a fake one where Stark said he’s the number 1.
And I don’t talk about the fake wikipedia information (edited by some Stark fan) or the fake dialogue between Stark and Haribell where Stark said he knows about Aizen’s plan because he’s 1 etc…
Here I don’t say your ranking is false but we still don’t know, me, you and the various sites either.We just guess.
It could be given to any of the three right now, but it’s just hard to guess who will get.
Okay, first I thought that I would not really care what people say about their theories but I do care because of this site.
http://www.bleachanime.org/forums/showthread.php?t=32647
I have read a lot of comments on that site above and it kinda bothers me call me that I have no life but I just have to say this.
First, people on that site say that u should save the best for the last, they say that Stark is the only one who is paired with someone, so he kinda must be the weakest of the 3. Now, I think that the strongest should go first cuz the strongest should weaken the enemies first and the weaker ones should be able to clean up the mess.
Another person has said that Stark should be the strongest because of his calmness, I personally don’t think that that is a good reason cuz maybe he just isn’t afraid of dying.
Another comment says that Stark should be numero uno cuz he told every espada to shut up but Stark clearly had only told to Nnoitora cuz he was the only one yelling in that room and Stark said ‘you are so noisy’ not u all are so noisy.
Someone also said that Stark maybe would not even have the power to beat Shunsui but when Stark has gone out to retrieve Orihime back, Kenpachi and Ichigo were standing there. They were indeed injured by Nnoitora and Grimmjow but I am almost sure that the injured Ken and Ichigo are stronger then Shunsui cuz Ken is soooo incredibly strong and Stark could have senced their reiatsu, so saying that Stark is only faster then Ken and Ichigo combined is wrong cuz Nnoitora was already insanely strong and he is only number 5 plus Stark can sence reiatsu, by doing that he only knows how strong his enemies are and not how fast so he should be have been prepared for a battle if it was needed. I am almost sure that Stark is stronger then Ukitake and Shunsui combined cuz he could have beaten Ken and Ichigo if ur basing on logics. If I have to compare Shunsui and Ukitake vs Ken and Ichigo I would say that the team of Ken will win, for me Ken alone already counts as 2 captains however maybe not for Ukitake and Shunsui though, cuz they are one of the strongest captains.
I think that Hallibel is the numero uno espada cuz when Shunsui and Ukitake asked each other who the primero espada might be, Tite showed Hallibel on that page. Another reason is that her design is pretty good and I think that Tite don’t want to be predictable and so he lets Hallibel to be the primero espada. I am almost 100% sure that Barragan is the 3rd espada cuz his looks fits too well te be the primero so it’s too predictable and his actions fits to be the 3rd. That means that Stark is 2 cuz Lillinet said that Stark should not have let Barragan taken charge. If u look at my post all ranks fits almost perfectly, I am not saying that the order is this, I am just saying that this would be the logical order but maybe Tite don’t really want to be logical
There are still alot of things that I wanna say but let’s leave it right now and the reason that I have not posted this comment on that site is cuz I want to share it with u guys and cuz I am too lazy to register LOL.
And sorry for the insanely loooong post.
@Zeru
Who knows maybe Kubo is predictable?? Lol, if Hallibel is nr 1 then I feel really sorry for Hitsugaya…
#3 is nel
So…. U (yoyo) agreed with me? It would be great if u are cuz I won’t feel like I have wrote that super long message for nothing but it’s fine even if u don’t agree with me, I am just exchanging my thoughts. And well, I don’t really feel sorry for Hitsugaya LOL. I liked him a while ago but he has too much screening time now, it’s like Hitsugaya is the main character now, that’s pretty annoying. I think I like Grimmjow, Stark and Kenpachi the most in bleach:P
I stand by what I came up with long ago. We will not see the tatoos of the remaining Espada, nor will they openly say their rank. They will simply fight and die, and it will be up to the fans to determine the ranks based on their performance in battle. That way everybody is happy and nobody will cry about how their beloved Halibel or whoever was actually rank 3. Nobody will gripe about how the lame, predictable Barragan turned out to be number 1. Everybody’s “favorite” will be rank 1 and there will be no way for anybody to prove anybody wrong.
That would suck DuFai
@Dufai: Neg, too many pissed people would bitch.
My votes on halibel for the unpredictability, not to mention she’s the goddliest woman ever made in an anime <3. Not to mention her refining qualities. She’s caring for her lower rankins in a minor way if only that (When they were scared she was being reassuring to them. That’s something no espada has done for anyone.) I’ve not read THAT much manga, maybe only about 5-10 episodes ahead of the anime now taht they’re outta the fillers… But… From what I see, the old guy is 100% too full of himself. And i just have no opinion of stark. Lazy people get the highest on the dark end of the spectrum. I know the Espada plans are bad, but it’s not so black and white. Maybe stark makes the title “King Dick” as a high rank, but i’d prefer to believe in the un-expected.
My alternate theory, is Ulquiorra is #1. The gap in power between 6 and 4 seemed a little ridiculous. Stopped full blown Getsouga Tenshou in vizard form just by taking his other hand out of his pocket, anything else on required a skingle hand. Shortly there after he nearly killed Ichigo and nel in the blast, not to mention that he went to him and put his hand through Ichigo like a hotknife through butter. Yet the same level of Ichigo against Ulquiorra put on Grimmjow, brought about Grimm’s defeat. Lol.
Anyways, despite the difference of power, Ulquiorra DOES get the most screen time of any Espada so far, and he’s appears to be Aizen’s right hand, which seemed more like a 2nd in command kinda thing… He also seems the most reserved and intelligent, even over Szayel the nerd-master. Not to mention where he’s not arrogant, but has that air of power that resonates arrogance. And for the final mention, how he seems to treat noone below him, but insteads just demonstrates his power over them in light instances when they are being foolish or something. The fact that Grimm got him locked away for a few hours or something, means absolutely nothing. That’s like putting a 5 year old against a professional boxer, and the five year old sneaking a pen in the eye. It’s not a defeat, it’s a piss off and the concequences will come. As they had regardless of Ulquiorra’s action towers him. That’s the end of my rant, but I still vote Halibel (Also cause i’m learning how to draw her in proper manga-style =D)
@ someone: Ulquiorra is #4… and the gap isn’t that big between Grimm and Ulquiorra… Ichigo got beaten vs Ulquiorra because he couldn’t hold the Hollow transformation long enough and when his mask breaks, it drains a lot of power and Ichigo is very weakened at that time. (It happened vs Grimmjow too in Karakura town when grimm had only 1 arm) Grimmjow in his released form is about as strong as Ichigo in Vaizard form…. I don’t believe Ulquiorra is that much stronger and my guess is Ichigo will defeat Ulquiorra in their next battle with the help of Grimm. (big guess there but I got a feeling lol)
Grimmjow is the rebel of the Espada, you can expect something from him since Kubo gave him so much screen time since the beginning. (as much as Ulquiorra and even more) I believe that he’s stronger than what people give him credit for… He fought on par with Ichigo’s vaizard form for a good while and it was one of the best fight Bleach had to offer…
edited to add: If Ichigo could have held the Hollow transformation Ulquiorra would have had to release….