Long ago in the Naruto manga, we heard of how Orochimaru said that even Itachi was too strong for him. There was an ominous panel which showed a partially decaying forearm complete with Akatsuki ring on the the finger. At that point many fans guessed that Orochimaru wanted to take over Itachi’s body and fought with Itachi. But of course we know Orochimaru lost and had his arm chopped off as well. So we all wondered when would we ever get to see this ‘epic’ battle being shown in a flashback and finally Kishimoto answers us in chapter 345! Was it truly an epic flashback like we expected?
The answer is a resounding NO. Orochimaru gets pwned by Itachi so easily that it’s not even a joke. It’s not even a chapter-long fight, it’s just 2 bloody pages! The sannin genius Orochimaru loses in probably what is the fastest fight ever in Naruto, maybe except for the Tenten vs Temari fight in the Chuunin Exams.
I was expecting some crazy battle where Orochimaru busts out his S or A ranked jutsus and Itachi uses his Sharingan to counter them and maybe use his own jutsus. A chapter would have sufficed since I expected Itachi to somehow overpower Orochimaru as hinted but Itachi just looks at him and rapes Orochimaru with one genjutsu! A paralysing genjutsu with nice visual of giant stakes slamming through Orochimaru’s body, and when Orochimaru feebly tries to do a jutsu, Itachi calmly chops off that famous forearm.
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Now the burning question begets itself once again: why did Itachi run away from Jiraiya instead of raping him with all his broken Sharingan genjutsus or even use his Mangekyou Sharingan jutsus? Of course this question has been around ever since Itachi ran away since it was a conundrum when Orochimaru was scared of Itachi, yet Itachi ran away from Jiraiya….but Orochimaru obviously has no fear of Jiraiya and even thinks Jiraiya is a bumbling idiot.
Itachi himself said that at best they would suffer heavy injuries and at worst both sides would die. But yet against Orochimaru, Itachi could have very easily killed him with zero injury at all. After all Itachi says “Orochimaru, no matter what jutsus, they are useless before these eyes” but why say that to Orochimaru and not to Jiraiya? Why rape Orochimaru so easily but yet have no confidence in beating Jiraiya? Does Itachi know something about Jiraiya’s fighting style that we don’t?
While it’s true that Jiraiya seems to rely heavily on summoning jutsu variations which cannot be copied by the Sharingan, surely itachi is more than just his Sharingan. Even before he got the Sharingan, Itachi was already lauded as a super prodigy and of course he wiped out his whole clan which is no easy feat. I’m sure he has many powerful jutsus up his sleeve as well. But I really wish we got to see Jiraiya fight seriously; in fact I was expecting him to have a grand finale against Orochimaru but that doesn’t seem quite likely anymore.
Beside the lame deus ex machina explanation that the story forced Itachi to run away from Jiraiya, who do you think was lying or telling the truth about who is stronger than the other?
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oh and if sasuke goes into cs2 form for too long, will he lose himself and could Orch come back?
Does Itachi and Kisama ever die in the episodes? I have only seen up to episode 82 and I am a good fan of Itachi and if he dies that will piss me off. And Kisama is awesome, does he die?
Nope Itachi and Kisame don’t die….yet
Yet… That is the key word. I am a big fan of Itachi and if he dies I will get pissed…. And Kisama’s Samehada sword is tight, it would suck for it to not in use.
Well we’ll definitely see Samehada in use when it’s time for Kisame’s main fight.
@guy, depends what episode number you are looking for. It could just be that it isn’t out yet. Naruto is only airing every two weeks instead of every week right now.
I’m so glad Sakura is more grown up. Watching Karin’s fangirling makes me realise how irritating it was.
I’d like to see Suigetsu take on Kisame, Zabuza’s sword against Samehada would be a pretty interesting fight.
Too bad the Beheading Sword doesn’t seem to have any special properties unlike the Samehada…yet!
LOL yea. I’m sure Suigetsu wanted it so badly for a reason ^-^
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Also they might have been using the clones which the akatsuki leader can create. These clones are almost permanent but are only at 30% power, which was enough to keep naruto, kakashi, sakura, and chiyo who are all fairly powerful at bay. Full power itachi wins peroid. the REAL question is HOW IS ITACHI SO FREAKING POWERFUL and at such a young age.
what happen to itachi when he is defeated by sasukee
I bet itachi beats saskue but naruto saves him by going kyubi, then somehow naruto kills itachi, and then saskue gets mad and tries to kill naruto
Saskue and Naruto seem to want to fight eachother, its basically what the anime is about so…
idk if anyone notices but there is a resemblance between the fourth and Jiraiya. but if they are related, and the fourth is the greatest shinobi, then that means Jiraiya has some of that power too. And he can use it to kill Itachi.
I mean look at the facts:
they both summon the Toad
they both know the rassengan
they both have the same hairstyle
And than you can put Naruto in the family tree because they all look related
and they r all perverted
Itachi doesnt stand a chanse vs Uzumaki blood
But thats just my theory
If you remember one thing, Jiraiya is the 4th’s teacher so that is why they can both summon toads. And the 4th taught the Rasengan back to Jiraiya. And finally the 4th and Jiraiya have completely different hairstyles.
For Itachi to us the Sharingan doesn’t his opponent have to be looking right into his eyes. Itachi knew that Jiraiya was too smart to do this. Orochimaru on the other hand gets trapped by Itachi’s gaze and seems surprised at the power of Sharingan. I think Jiraiya is alot more savvy than Orochimaru in this regard and Itachi knew that he wouldn’t be able to use the Sharingan on him.
Well I don’t think that’s 100% true, both Jiraiya and Orochimaru probably did not know about jutsus like Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu. Even if they looked at the Sharingan, I think they both felt that they would be able to escape the genjutsus. But clearly Orochimaru’s estimation was under the actual power of Itachi’s jutsu.
Hmm I’m starting to think along the same lines as you alkanphel (does that mean I’ve come over to the darkside I wonder?)
And that the reason Itachi backed down when faced with Jiraiya is simply because he perceived Jiraiya to be stronger than himself.
Kakashi certainly also thought that was the reason. He reasoned that Akatsuki had stayed away from Naruto for the last three years because Jiraiya was with him.
It was Chiyo who told them that the reason they hadn’t come after the Kyuubi since the last attempt was because of the amount or preparation required to extract a Bijuu.
However I think that Kakashi might have been partially right too. After all once they had the time to prepare it wasn’t Naruto they went after first but the one tailed Shukaku inside of Gaara instead.
hmmn maybe it’s because Itachi (and Akatsuki) doesn’t know that much about Jiraiya and his techniques. Orochimaru had been with them for a long time so they must know his style.
Plus Jiraiya had been wandering around ever since Orochi left Konoha. He must have mastered countless jutsus just like Sandaime. If you look back at Sandaime’s style of fighting they both use Earth and Fire techniques. They’re mostly powerful or defensive jutsus.
Orochi on the other hand is just all about forbidden jutsu and disgusting body transformations. Though he is a prodigy and must know a lot of jutsu as well. I think Orochi relied more on his forbidden jutsus that he lacked the experience in using the same techniques that Jiraiya uses.
am I making sense?? But frankly, Orochi has never used a single decent technique in this series. He just weasels out of danger which is kind of pathetic.
orch is an interesting character, in ancient japanese myths and stuff, there is a nine tail demon and all the demons from the manga…there is also a eight tail snake by the name of Yamato no orch…sound familiar?! Orch was supposed to be the eight tail demon but Kish made him an actual character…
anywho, i think in naruto 353, you know how deidra says he wanted to kill orch..hes going to go after sasuke as a mission and he’ll tell saskue that kakashi knows how to do the mankgenyou sharagan,,,which might make sasuke wanna go back to konohona…oh and we might get to finally see if tobi is obito
sdrai: It’s quite possible that the Akatsuki don’t know so much about Jiraiya’s techniques but actually the forbidden techniques that Orochimaru uses are supposed to be more powerful that the jutsus that Jiraiya uses. His Impure Resurrection jutsu was pure cheating by summoning the 1st and 2nd Hokages. It’s like fighting 3 S-ranked ninjas at the same time. But I agree, Orochimaru hardly used any proper jutsus to fight which was disappointing. I guess Kishimoto wanted to use Orochimaru to show off all the forbidden jutsus because no one else can.
guy: No doubt Orochimaru’s name reminds you of the mythical 8 headed serpent, his name was actually taken from the folktale of the “Gallant Jiraiya”. All the Sannin names were taken from that story.
ok my bf told me about this concept..
something about contrapelo..that with certain people and techniques you can’t win no matter how powerful you are. Just like the legendary sannins. It’s like a balance thing. slug – frog – snake .. so maybe itachi can’t deal with Jiraiy’s techniques but he can with orochimaru..
^_^
@ alkanphel
yeah orochi is the only one who’s sick enough to use those jutsus…hmp
@asrai, that makes a certain amount of sense. After all both are similar if you go by the animals that are associated with them.
Weasels and Snakes are both considered sly and cunning to name just a few traits they share.
Although I do consider Itachi to be smarter than Orochimaru.
thats funny…is a weasel a mongoose? cuz mongooses eat snakes
While it would be funny if it were true, a weasel is not a mongoose.
Wow, has anybody else read the latest chapter yet?
I can honestly say I did NOT see that one coming.
But now we know what’s up with Kabuto. I’m curious though, since it really seemed like Orochimaru was pottering about inside old Sasuke’s head, how can he be a part of Kabuto?
Or when he means ole snake eyes is part of him now, is it really Orochimaru or has Kabuto simply been messing around with the snake sannin’s DNA?
@ DJ
yeah it seems a bit off..Sasuke took over..so I thought Orochi would make a big comeback by taking over Sasuke’s body again!
I vote for Kabuto mutation! *raises hand*. He still talks as Kabuto! If Orochi took over his body wouldn’t he be talking like Orochi?
DJ: Well from reading the chapter again it seems to me that after Orochimaru died, Kabuto lost his way and purpose (assuming he’s not bullshitting Naruto) and so as to anchor himself to some ideal, he took the drastic step of grafting a piece of Orochimaru onto himself and maybe he’ll become the next “Orochimaru” to carry on his twisted ideals.
@alkanphel, thanks that makes more sense to me ^-^
I think Kabuto was more screwed up than I ever realised!
DJ: Yeah that is the logical way to explain what Kabuto did. But since this is still a shounen manga, don’t be surprised if somehow Orochimaru takes over Kabuto and comes back…
duh..i know why jirya is stronger than itachi..b/c he knows the fourths flying lighting god tech thingy(the flash move)
the fourth probably taught jirya it too, just like the rasegan
sasuke’s eyes seem to have gotten a little bit different, maybe its his intent to kill, or maybe hes growing his skill to the point where the mangenkyou sharigan will happen automatically, you know wit out killing his closest friend
didn’t itachi say himself that if he fought jiraiya then it would result in a draw?
Itachi is going blind from constant use of his eyes there is also a rumor going around saying he didnt murder his clan but someone else did and for sasuke to be spared he had to join the akatski
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Listen the reason itchi could beat orochimaru and not jiraiya…was because orochimaru is weaker than jiraiya…if you look at where the three names of the legends are based of jaraiya, tsunade, and orochimaru…they all come from a japanese tale in which the main character is jaraiya…so there
well i think Itachi could not beat Jirachi that its beacuse Itachi was weakened by using his sharigan on another sharigan Kashasi earlier. This is one thoery. Another is Itachi and Hoshigaki Kisame objective was to attempt to capture Naruto and extract his tailed-beast Naruto would not be acputred without going down with a fight, fighting naruto plus naruto his little brother Uchiha Sasuke who has grown in strength and desperatly want to kill him. Itachi and Kisame would also have to fight yes you know him Jiraiya a very powerful ninja and Legendary Sannin. This would have been to much for Kisame and Itachi so they ran as Jiraiya would have protected Naruto with his life, as well as Kyuubi the demon fox inside Naruto would not want to be captured by the Akatsuki Organization knowing what they would do to him. Naruto would be a very dangerous force to Uchiha Itachi and Hoshigaki Kisame even though he huge amount of chakra his jutsu would be nothing to Jiraiya or Naruto in his demon fox state and the fox nowing he would be captured would be using all his tails when Naruto completely loses control and grows four chakra “tails” the demon fox’s personality takes control making Itachi and Kisame DEAD. i don’t think Itachi ramn away from Jiraiya but all three of his opponents at the same time.
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Here is what the fight wou;ld have looked like:
Uchiha Itachi(LEGENDRAY POWERFUL CHAKRA) and his fish friend (POWERFUL CHAKRA)Vs Jirachi
Sorry Here is what the fight wou;ld have looked like:
Uchiha Itachi(LEGENDRAY POWERFUL CHAKRA) + Kisame (HUGE POWERFUL CHAKRA) Vs Jirachi (LEGENDRAY POWERFUL CHAKRA)+ Sasuke (GOOD CHAKRA)+ Naruto (GOOD CHAKRA)+ Demon Fox Kyuubi (HUGE LEGENDRAY POWERFUL CHAKRA) i believe Itachi and Kisame have lost this fight don’t you guys!!
Looking at the actual situation, Itachi could have walked away with Naruto and Sasuke in custody provided he had eliminated Jiraiya first. The fact that he did not, shows either:
1. Itachi is stupid.
2. Jiraiya could not be eliminated, even with the Tsukuyomi that Itachi used on Sasuke.
Since I don’t believe Itachi to be stupid, 2 seems more likely.
Sidenote: A lot of people like to dismiss the fact that Jiraiya was not an obstacle for Akatsuki because of a short conversation Chiyo had with Kakashi. Chiyo states that prep-time was a factor, and just because of that, people assume that Jiraiya is not a major threat.
Chiyo’s statement largely deals with explaining why Gaara and the other jinchuuriki weren’t kidnapped until after the timeskip. It doesn’t explain the attempt with Naruto, and more importantly, it doesn’t change the fact that Itachi did make an attempt to go after Naruto preskip, just not enough to the point where he risked his life.
It’s always been my opinion that Jiraiya is simply a bad match-up for Itachi.
Itachi(Oro): “Orochimaru, against these eyes, all of your jutsus are useless.”
Itachi(Jiraiya): “Not only was Tsukuyomi bad enough, but I even had to use Amaterasu.”
Match-ups matter in the manga. It doesn’t matter what you can do if you meet an opponent who nullifies your major advantages. In this case, the sharingan is what this battle triangle revolves around. While Orochimaru will find himself powerless against the sharingan, Jiraiya will force Itachi to suffer the backlash his MS instigates, and the severe side-effects of the MS is Itachi’s weakness.
Jiraiya is simply a bad match-up for Itachi, though Itachi may very well be stronger since Jiraiya isn’t getting any younger now.
@Anthony: If it’s true that Itachi did not kill the clan, then that means that he WANTS sasuke to suceed, which would in turn, give meanign to the the use of tsukiyomi.(SP) He would put in more hate into sasuke, forcing him to get even stronger then he is now. He probably could have taken them all. If he had used tsukiyomi (SP) on naruto, kyubii wouldn’t be a threat. Therefore, I believe he left to keep them alive.
Also, Naruto is sasukes closest friend. If itachi really did kill the clan, then taking away naruto now would mean that sasuke would miss his chance at killing his best friend.
That’s just what i think.
I don’t think anyone takes naruto serious enough. I mean sure Kisame pretty much took out his chakra with his sword which made everyone forget about naruto as a threat, but the demon fox’s chakra isn’t limited. In the old Japanese stories about the tailed beasts the nine tailed fox had infinite power and it never lost a fight. The only other Bijuu with power close to that was the 8-tailed snake which only lost to the ungodly powerful fox. Maybe itachi was still concerned about naruto even though he was acting so casual.
I LOVE ITACHI he is so HOTT it was really mean what he did to sasuke
by killing his own parents just to test how strong he was but i still think itachi is the bomb i like him because he is strong, he is hott,he keeps his cool while fighting, and besides the boss i think he is the strongest in the whole akatski
Itachi did run out of energy i hate to admit. but he doesnt really care about jiraiya. I mean, his perogative is to make himself stronger. And sasuke stronger too. he loves his brother. Although i wish hed kill sasuke and get it over with. He makes sasuke stronger through hatred and realizing sasuke forgot his goal of avenging his clan, he reinforced that hatred by using tsukiyomi. Thats why. plus, sasuke was the main one getting in the way, not jiraiya. In fact, jiraiya decided to stay out of the fight. Kisame just stood there laughing. Hahaha. I love that.
also itachi said if he fought in that state, ( of exhaustion) it would end in a draw. My itachi is that fly. He could probably kill jiraiya with only a fair amount of difficulty.
Well. Orochimaru was a force to reckon with. In my opinion he’d give anyone hell if they wanted it. But. Itachi and Sasuke have the Sharingan, which Orochimaru had nothing good enough to face with. With that point of view I can see why Orochimaru wouldn’t easily beat Itachi or Sasuke. But looking at what Itachi said [he said that even if they had more people it wouldn't make much of a difference facing Jiraiya], it only stands to reason that either Itachi was being extremely careful or there’s something about Jiraiya that we don’t know yet. He was taught by Sandaime and taught Yondaime, after all, and was to be the fifth.
I think the reason is simple. We can ask “well why NOT fight Jiraiya?” and think up reasons for getting into a fight, but that’s just it. There just wasn’t a reason. Fighting Jiraiya would just reveal the extent of Itachi’s abilities and waste time. Itachi has ALWAYS been a very secretive person. In some ways he’s the perfect ninja. I don’t think he shows more cards than he has to and Akatsuki as a whole is still trying to keep a low profile. Itachi also tends to want to finish things quickly, and he’s very cautious by nature. He’s a planner, but his plan to lure Jiraiya away from Naruto by exploiting his weakness for women didn’t work. On top of that, Sasuke showed up. More interesting is that Itachi seemed to think that using Tukiyomi on Sasuke given that opportunity took presedence over picking a fight with Jiraiya, which seems REALLY suspicious given Itachi’s other behavior patterns and Akatuki’s goals. Kisame seems to think that Itachi just enjoys being cruel, and that may be true, but Itachi makes very calculated decisions and its possible that Itachi saw a real necessity in using Tsukiyomi on Sasuke at that point. His subsequent decision to escape the battle unfinished was also calculated. Jiraiya had the advantage in surprising them and when it comes down to it, there was no good reason to battle it out. He had nothing to gain and everything to lose. Sure, they could have picked up Naruto, but they don’t really need him yet.
Besides, it makes for a good introduction to Itachi and Itachi vs Sasuke that was really EXCELLENT in the story at that point. So in the end it’s all about the storytelling.
Just MHO.
Hey guys,
it at least remains a story. That Itachi would defeat Jiraiya in such an early state of the story wasn’t an option. If Kishimoto had depicted a long fight between Itachi and Orochimaru, he would have lost the focus on the fight with Sasuke, for he just wanted to show the superiority of sharingan. If he ever thought of the comparison of Orochimaru and Jiraiya in this scene, then he just wanted to show that Jiraiya is stronger than Orochimaru thought. Thats all.
I Think that orochimaru underestimates Jiraiya in a similar way that sasuke always seems to underestimate naruto.
And Naruto wasn’t as weak as Sasuke thought.