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	<title>Comments on: Judging a book by its cover &#8211; or judging an anime by its artwork</title>
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		<title>By: Avery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not going to say &quot;looks don&#039;t matter&quot; because it does, perhaps just as much as the story.  It&#039;s a lot like looking for a partner in life.  If you see a girl and she&#039;s hot ..you&#039;re going to talk to her and that&#039;s where we hope her personality and values accommodate your own.  I won&#039;t approach a girl if she&#039;s not approachable (appealing to my eyes).  Everyone will say I sound shallow, but it&#039;s the truth.  If even the quickest glare at her makes me ill, it doesn&#039;t matter if she has the most shining personality in the world --I&#039;ll leave her at the drop of a hat for making my eyes cringe.

So it goes the same for anime.  Take the series that I&#039;m watching now as an example -Ergo Proxy.  I saw screen caps of Re-l and they were beautiful.  So I gave it a watch and the story is not bad ... so now I&#039;m watching the whole series till the end.  Want an example of anime that I turned down because I didn&#039;t like the art or character design -Full Metal Panic.  I seriously thought the character design for the heroine (I forgot her name) was VERY lacking in appeal.  To put it bluntly -she&#039;s ugly.  If I have to see her face every episode I&#039;d stop watching anime altogether.  And I gave it a chance too -I watched 12 episodes before I dropped it.  The story couldn&#039;t save it.

So to answer your question, I prefer a balance between stimulation of the senses and of the mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to say &#8220;looks don&#8217;t matter&#8221; because it does, perhaps just as much as the story.  It&#8217;s a lot like looking for a partner in life.  If you see a girl and she&#8217;s hot ..you&#8217;re going to talk to her and that&#8217;s where we hope her personality and values accommodate your own.  I won&#8217;t approach a girl if she&#8217;s not approachable (appealing to my eyes).  Everyone will say I sound shallow, but it&#8217;s the truth.  If even the quickest glare at her makes me ill, it doesn&#8217;t matter if she has the most shining personality in the world &#8211;I&#8217;ll leave her at the drop of a hat for making my eyes cringe.</p>
<p>So it goes the same for anime.  Take the series that I&#8217;m watching now as an example -Ergo Proxy.  I saw screen caps of Re-l and they were beautiful.  So I gave it a watch and the story is not bad &#8230; so now I&#8217;m watching the whole series till the end.  Want an example of anime that I turned down because I didn&#8217;t like the art or character design -Full Metal Panic.  I seriously thought the character design for the heroine (I forgot her name) was VERY lacking in appeal.  To put it bluntly -she&#8217;s ugly.  If I have to see her face every episode I&#8217;d stop watching anime altogether.  And I gave it a chance too -I watched 12 episodes before I dropped it.  The story couldn&#8217;t save it.</p>
<p>So to answer your question, I prefer a balance between stimulation of the senses and of the mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Mirrinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mirrinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ kacpy

I can see your point if you&#039;re referring specifically to art styles instead of animation quality, but I&#039;d have to disagree that this is a greater dividing line amongst fans than the stories and characters themselves. It appears to be easier to generalize acceptable &quot;art&quot; amongst anime fans than it is to generalize what constitutes a good story or a good character. And art can be discussed just as much as story; it&#039;s just that people don&#039;t seem to know as much about it. And personally, I would count art style as a subset of overall animation quality anyway...

And btw, when speaking of Haruhi, I was referring to animation quality, while you seem to be referring to art through character designs. Aren&#039;t you the one who wanted to distinguish the two? &gt;_&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ kacpy</p>
<p>I can see your point if you&#8217;re referring specifically to art styles instead of animation quality, but I&#8217;d have to disagree that this is a greater dividing line amongst fans than the stories and characters themselves. It appears to be easier to generalize acceptable &#8220;art&#8221; amongst anime fans than it is to generalize what constitutes a good story or a good character. And art can be discussed just as much as story; it&#8217;s just that people don&#8217;t seem to know as much about it. And personally, I would count art style as a subset of overall animation quality anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>And btw, when speaking of Haruhi, I was referring to animation quality, while you seem to be referring to art through character designs. Aren&#8217;t you the one who wanted to distinguish the two? &gt;_&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: shineyshiney</title>
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		<dc:creator>shineyshiney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 00:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Art or story - stimulation of the sense or stimulation of the mind? Which one do you prefer more?&quot;

Hmmm...  I would say that while crappy animation/art style distaste would disappoint me a bit, it is secondary. And while an anime might have a good story, I wouldn&#039;t pinpoint my appreciation of the show on just that.

For me, a show MUST posses (ideally all, almost always some, but sometimes only one(!)) of these factors: humor, cuteness, intrigue, or just appeal to my sense of what&#039;s cool.

Thinking more on this... can both art and story potentially posses all of these qualities? I may be wrong, but I think they can.  So I can appreciate them in which ever aspect of the show they manifest themselves.

So if the show can somehow get my attention on one or more of these factors, then I can watch any series, appreciate what I can find enjoyable in it, and I can be at peace with it&#039;s other weaknesses.

If anything, I loose out on seeing a genuinely good anime (or an anime I might find genuinely good, yeah there&#039;s a difference...), due to laziness. :P

As for Potemayo... I hadn&#039;t really seen much of anything about it until I read about it on the &#039;Anime on my Mind&#039; and &#039;Hop Step Jump!&#039; blog.  I decided to give the first ep a try and well... I loved it!

I found Potemayo and Guchuko&#039;s antics, as well as Sunao&#039;s little comments and well timed indifference hilarious, and I just had to cheer when the scythe wielding &quot;moe blob&quot; started firing it&#039;s lazers :D.

And I really didn&#039;t see that whole &#039;slaughtered pig on the table&#039; thing coming :O , really didn&#039;t expect that from this show (although I guess I should have from the opening, but I think I must have slipped my mind after a few minutes of LMAO), but it was funny none the less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Art or story &#8211; stimulation of the sense or stimulation of the mind? Which one do you prefer more?&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;  I would say that while crappy animation/art style distaste would disappoint me a bit, it is secondary. And while an anime might have a good story, I wouldn&#8217;t pinpoint my appreciation of the show on just that.</p>
<p>For me, a show MUST posses (ideally all, almost always some, but sometimes only one(!)) of these factors: humor, cuteness, intrigue, or just appeal to my sense of what&#8217;s cool.</p>
<p>Thinking more on this&#8230; can both art and story potentially posses all of these qualities? I may be wrong, but I think they can.  So I can appreciate them in which ever aspect of the show they manifest themselves.</p>
<p>So if the show can somehow get my attention on one or more of these factors, then I can watch any series, appreciate what I can find enjoyable in it, and I can be at peace with it&#8217;s other weaknesses.</p>
<p>If anything, I loose out on seeing a genuinely good anime (or an anime I might find genuinely good, yeah there&#8217;s a difference&#8230;), due to laziness. <img src='http://www.thatanimeblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As for Potemayo&#8230; I hadn&#8217;t really seen much of anything about it until I read about it on the &#8216;Anime on my Mind&#8217; and &#8216;Hop Step Jump!&#8217; blog.  I decided to give the first ep a try and well&#8230; I loved it!</p>
<p>I found Potemayo and Guchuko&#8217;s antics, as well as Sunao&#8217;s little comments and well timed indifference hilarious, and I just had to cheer when the scythe wielding &#8220;moe blob&#8221; started firing it&#8217;s lazers <img src='http://www.thatanimeblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>And I really didn&#8217;t see that whole &#8217;slaughtered pig on the table&#8217; thing coming :O , really didn&#8217;t expect that from this show (although I guess I should have from the opening, but I think I must have slipped my mind after a few minutes of LMAO), but it was funny none the less.</p>
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		<title>By: whazzup</title>
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		<dc:creator>whazzup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juz a small note abt the twirling of legs u mentioned. Rewatched tat part, and it looks more like it&#039;s there to show and re-enforce the idea tat she&#039;s choking under water (tat tight, uncomfortable feeling when u hold ur breath for too long  legs twined together), rather than from any jealousy she might have been feeling.

But interesting observation anyway, :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juz a small note abt the twirling of legs u mentioned. Rewatched tat part, and it looks more like it&#8217;s there to show and re-enforce the idea tat she&#8217;s choking under water (tat tight, uncomfortable feeling when u hold ur breath for too long  legs twined together), rather than from any jealousy she might have been feeling.</p>
<p>But interesting observation anyway, <img src='http://www.thatanimeblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: orangee</title>
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		<dc:creator>orangee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some series that I just know it&#039;s good, but the art gets in the way. Either it&#039;s not the style that I usually prescribe to, or it&#039;s just plain old terrible. What happens is that I tend to put it in my backlog list, often watching months later and still hating the art. I regret doing that though.

Same goes with fanservice, too much and I just click stop. This one I don&#039;t regret too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some series that I just know it&#8217;s good, but the art gets in the way. Either it&#8217;s not the style that I usually prescribe to, or it&#8217;s just plain old terrible. What happens is that I tend to put it in my backlog list, often watching months later and still hating the art. I regret doing that though.</p>
<p>Same goes with fanservice, too much and I just click stop. This one I don&#8217;t regret too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Briar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Briar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art and animation is equally important, IMO, in anime. Consider Tsubasa Chronicle which has &lt;em&gt;beautiful&lt;/em&gt; art and pretty (albeit slightly odd) character design, but has so many zooming-on-still-images that I just got totally bored and frustrated.

@ Lupus: It&#039;s interesting that you mentioned Le Chevalier d&#039;Eon. I dropped it after episode 20 or so, not because it was boring, but because I quite simply do not like the character design or the animation. I may go back to watching it someday when I have the time.. but because of the art, it will never be ranked higher up on my scale.

The thing is, there is more than story in animation. It is the delivery as well as the substance that is important. Like in books, who would want to read a book even if it has great ideas if those ideas aren&#039;t conveyed properly? Who would want to read a book full of grammatical mistakes and sentence fallacies? So what if it is Harry Potter; if J K Rowling didn&#039;t know how to string a proper sentence together, the greatest idea in the world wouldn&#039;t sell a single book.

Similarly, without art and animation, what kind of thing is an anime? The very fact that it&#039;s called &quot;anime&quot; means that animation is an integral part of it. The difference between visual art like animes and written art like books is art and animation.

If I just want good story, I would go read a book (a properly written one, anyway). If I watch anime, I want more than a good story; I want good animation and art as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art and animation is equally important, IMO, in anime. Consider Tsubasa Chronicle which has <em>beautiful</em> art and pretty (albeit slightly odd) character design, but has so many zooming-on-still-images that I just got totally bored and frustrated.</p>
<p>@ Lupus: It&#8217;s interesting that you mentioned Le Chevalier d&#8217;Eon. I dropped it after episode 20 or so, not because it was boring, but because I quite simply do not like the character design or the animation. I may go back to watching it someday when I have the time.. but because of the art, it will never be ranked higher up on my scale.</p>
<p>The thing is, there is more than story in animation. It is the delivery as well as the substance that is important. Like in books, who would want to read a book even if it has great ideas if those ideas aren&#8217;t conveyed properly? Who would want to read a book full of grammatical mistakes and sentence fallacies? So what if it is Harry Potter; if J K Rowling didn&#8217;t know how to string a proper sentence together, the greatest idea in the world wouldn&#8217;t sell a single book.</p>
<p>Similarly, without art and animation, what kind of thing is an anime? The very fact that it&#8217;s called &#8220;anime&#8221; means that animation is an integral part of it. The difference between visual art like animes and written art like books is art and animation.</p>
<p>If I just want good story, I would go read a book (a properly written one, anyway). If I watch anime, I want more than a good story; I want good animation and art as well.</p>
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		<title>By: YanLan</title>
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		<dc:creator>YanLan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, imho the artwork is really important as it is what will catch my eyes. it&#039;s the first impression that counts first and then content will be important. If any animation or comics cannot catch our eyes, we won&#039;t be able to watch or read into it. Therefore I would think artwork is important... the title as well.

First impressions are the most important with visual content, imho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, imho the artwork is really important as it is what will catch my eyes. it&#8217;s the first impression that counts first and then content will be important. If any animation or comics cannot catch our eyes, we won&#8217;t be able to watch or read into it. Therefore I would think artwork is important&#8230; the title as well.</p>
<p>First impressions are the most important with visual content, imho.</p>
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		<title>By: kacpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>kacpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mirrinus:


You speak of animation, when I spoke of artwork, which IMO are two completely seperate things. You can have amazingly fluid animation with zero detail/toothpick character designs and background art. Inconsistency in artwork/chara designs throughout the episodes is also a whole other issue. This is easy to judge.


And since you don&#039;t know any people who do not like character designs in most KyoAni shows so far, I can tell you there are such people. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mirrinus:</p>
<p>You speak of animation, when I spoke of artwork, which IMO are two completely seperate things. You can have amazingly fluid animation with zero detail/toothpick character designs and background art. Inconsistency in artwork/chara designs throughout the episodes is also a whole other issue. This is easy to judge.</p>
<p>And since you don&#8217;t know any people who do not like character designs in most KyoAni shows so far, I can tell you there are such people. <img src='http://www.thatanimeblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nekonron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nekonron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the quality of animation is important to attract viewers while story is important to retain them. Both needs to work together in order to create a great anime :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the quality of animation is important to attract viewers while story is important to retain them. Both needs to work together in order to create a great anime <img src='http://www.thatanimeblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mirrinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mirrinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Animation can directly detract from my enjoyment of a show. For example, I think Honey &amp; Clover has a good story, but the immense overuse of SD for Hagu annoyed me greatly and nearly put me off the show altogether (and pretty much shredded a good chunk of my suspension of disbelief). Likewise, good animation can also directly add to my enjoyment of a show. I&#039;d hate to steal a comparison from Jason Miao, but he phrased it pretty well: Animation quality is like height in basketball. There are some fantastic basketball players who are short, but does being taller help? Most definitely so.

As far as I&#039;m concerned, animation will always be a factor in how much I like a show, just not THE determining factor. If I didn&#039;t care about animation quality, then you can bet I&#039;d rather be reading the many classic books whose stories easily dominate over any anime in existance. I can&#039;t truthfully hide behind the statement that &quot;story is all that matters to me&quot;, because if that were so, then I should seriously pick up a new hobby besides anime.

On that note, I would also agree that good animation quality cannot save an otherwise horrible show. It should at least have some other redeeming qualities. Just like how not every single tall person is automatically good at basketball, but being tall would still help out.

kacpy: Actually, I&#039;ve always felt that animation quality is LESS subjective than story quality. You can measure animation quality in a variety of determinable ways: frame usage, CGI blending, detailed backgrounds, fluid movement, etc. Stories are much harder to guage in this way. Just look at your own example: Suzumiya Haruhi. There are many people who are enamoured by the story and characters, while others decry it as trash. But pretty much no credible person has successfully argued that it has horrible animation quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Animation can directly detract from my enjoyment of a show. For example, I think Honey &amp; Clover has a good story, but the immense overuse of SD for Hagu annoyed me greatly and nearly put me off the show altogether (and pretty much shredded a good chunk of my suspension of disbelief). Likewise, good animation can also directly add to my enjoyment of a show. I&#8217;d hate to steal a comparison from Jason Miao, but he phrased it pretty well: Animation quality is like height in basketball. There are some fantastic basketball players who are short, but does being taller help? Most definitely so.</p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, animation will always be a factor in how much I like a show, just not THE determining factor. If I didn&#8217;t care about animation quality, then you can bet I&#8217;d rather be reading the many classic books whose stories easily dominate over any anime in existance. I can&#8217;t truthfully hide behind the statement that &#8220;story is all that matters to me&#8221;, because if that were so, then I should seriously pick up a new hobby besides anime.</p>
<p>On that note, I would also agree that good animation quality cannot save an otherwise horrible show. It should at least have some other redeeming qualities. Just like how not every single tall person is automatically good at basketball, but being tall would still help out.</p>
<p>kacpy: Actually, I&#8217;ve always felt that animation quality is LESS subjective than story quality. You can measure animation quality in a variety of determinable ways: frame usage, CGI blending, detailed backgrounds, fluid movement, etc. Stories are much harder to guage in this way. Just look at your own example: Suzumiya Haruhi. There are many people who are enamoured by the story and characters, while others decry it as trash. But pretty much no credible person has successfully argued that it has horrible animation quality.</p>
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