For Britannia!
So I was reading Armchair General again, a publication big on military history and spitting on politics, and I got an idea while doing a map exercise. We all know that Lulu has a Geass, or as I call it the “Fuck You” button, or the “Just as Planned” switch, but I wonder if the Britannian situation is really all that unsalvageable. So I propose that you the reader come up with your own grand scheme to defeat Lulu. Are you an unimaginative twat like Clovis or are you capable of wielding the supple amalgam of the Britannian military might at levels that exceed Cornelia, Schnizel, and Suzaku? Are you utterly convinced that you cannot win and thus bend over to get ass raped by a deposed prince who gets out run by women in dresses or are you a tough son of bitch who has the vision to make Lulu squeal and compel him to surrender C2 and Kallen into your loving arms?
So the Emperor Charles now tired of the rampant incompetence of Area 11 commanders has appointed you to the task of bringing to account his treacherous son Lulu. You have a carte blanche to gather whatever forces you need to accomplish the task. You are aware of Lulu’s Geass and nominally hold Area 11 with your aerial dominance, naval superiority, and have a tenuous situation on land where you’re more numerous and better equipped forces have been suffering successive defeats. As for intelligence on the Black Knights what you have seen in the episodes so far is all you have to go on. Area 11 as is; has little changed from Japan as displayed in the wikipedia article, other than having most of its infrastructure ruined and much of the country side turned to rubble. The natives are either hostile or indifferent towards your forces. So under these conditions what is your plan Supreme Commander?
Here’s my mad scheme.Show ▼
It’s essential.
Given that Lulu has Geass tactical inferiority on land is pretty much guaranteed, while the rank-and-file soldiers are some of the best, they cannot hope to compete with an enemy that can wreak havoc on the land itself or over come the boon of perfect information that Lulu possess at a tactical level. Being inferior on land makes occupation a costly business in both men and materiel, having our own civilians within striking distance of the enemy burdens us with a liability that we can do without. A complete evacuation of the Japanese home islands would free up land forces for use against more beatable opponents in the European theater and free us from the duties of having to protect a civilian population. However before the evacuation is to be completed all heavy and industrial machinery we cannot take must be destroyed. Roads and rail lines must be demolished as thoroughly as possible and all arable land burned and salted. Our cities must be reduced to rubble with water, power, and sewage systems rendered in operable or at least in the case of water, poisoned. As much of the native population as possible will be spared as we conduct our uncompromising policy of scorched earth; property will be our primary target not people. Every Black Knight still in our hands it to be summarily executed along with the local intelligentsia that we can lay our hands on while every convicted felon and petty crook is to be released back into the general population.
Air bases will be established at Iwo Jima, Okinawa, and the Kurils along with sufficient garrisons to protect them. A general naval blockade will be established at major harbors and any place where a large ship can take port, using mines and patrols. Naval units will be deployed to act as a first line defense to interdict any seaborne threats to our bases along with air patrols. Every submarine we can muster will be tasked with sinking enemy ships going to and from Area 11 as well as inserting and recovering commando teams who will conduct reconnaissance and small scale raids along the coast lines. The RAF will be tasked with bombing and mining industrial centers and if Lulu resorts to cottage industry, maintenance depots and civilian targets will be attacked with incendiaries, high explosive, and SD2 Butterfly bombs along with generous amounts of cluster bombs of every type. The aerial campaign should serve to paralyze transport networks to create problems of supply for both Japanese civilians and military. Mines being low tech, cheap, deadly, and hard to dispose of will be our weapon of choice. They need not kill all the time in fact it is preferable for the mines to merely maim any elevens that happen upon them. Given that our navy is in possession of big guns bombardment of enemy stock piles will be affected where ever possible to prevent Lulu from using the local shipping lanes in lieu of more treacherous and longer overland routes. Assuming that enough of our ground forces gained the title of “blow torch battalions” during the retreat Lulu will have little to no industrial capacity to build an air force, air defense, or navy making the job of the Royal Navy and RAF that much easier with superiority and dominance from the out set.
Words to live by for the future occupation forces of Area 11.
While Lulu will invariably maintain his elite forces like Todou and Kallen in fighting condition they cannot be everywhere at once and Lulu will lack a comprehensive air defense network to track and defend every avenue of approach. As none will be in place once the air campaign begins; the development of such a network can be retarded. Todou and Kallen might be elite, but they cannot mount continuous air patrol 24 hours a day nor can they defend the home islands simultaneously. We will not seek them out to destroy them, but rather lure them out and wear them out through inaction. We can redirect our bombers to different targets as needed, but Kallen will have to waste time chasing her quarry and re-fueling during a long game of hide and seek at high altitude. The Knights of the Rounds will be employed to strike at communication centers and targets other wise safe from aerial and naval bombardment. As the have the float system they suffer less danger from mines.
By cutting off food imports or at least limiting them Lulu will have to resort to prolonged rationing and where able we will allow just enough to feed less than a third of the population through. Our goal is to cause chronic shortage so that Lulu will have to resort to draconian measures and liberal use of Geass to prevent hoarding and food riots. Without the industrial capacity to build agricultural machinery Lulu will have to allocate a significant amount of labor to squeeze what little food he can from the available arable land that we did not salt. Blockaded in his resource poor islands even if Lulu can rebuild a measure of industrial capacity he will have little to no access to the raw materials he needs for armaments and agricultural machinery. With limited numbers of technical experts who might have survived our purge Lulu will be hard pressed to train a new generation of technocrats with famine and mines to deal with. We can then wait until Lulu dies of natural causes or by the hand of one lone assassin, or when the elevens turn on him for want of food and safety. Freedom does not satiate hunger and once Area 11 has been sufficiently starved they can be bought with food and shelter. With a bad taste of Lulu still being felt a kinder gentler administration can take over as we make what generous concessions we can afford so long as Sakuradite mining rights largely remain in our hands.
Madness and genius are only separated by degrees of success.
Our general strategy will be to pin prick Lulu to death by causing communications and supply problems. Small scale raids against the outlying areas will force the locals to concentrate making water, food, and sewage problems more acute. By creating a miserable atmosphere and denying Lulu the tactical victories that he needs Lulu will have to deal with an increasingly hostile or ambivalent population that he cannot adequately defend. So long as he is contained and given only token supplies his revolution will wither on the vine long before it ripens.
As the Chinese are content to sit on the fence and lack the naval power to take Area 11 in the first place and their own palace intrigues will prevent them from breaking the blockade unless they risk a series of large scale naval actions and open war. In which case Lulu will become the problem of the Chinese, in which case a nuclear strike on the home islands will be conducted with all due haste before the Chinese make land fall. As for C2 the Emperors have waited centuries to seize her, they can wait a few more.
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The siege strategy seems sound, but I think you need to attack Lelouch in two other ways: public perception, and loyalty/morale of his scrubs.
Given that Lelouch has limited resources and communications, simply have some of your men dress up as Black Knights and attack a peaceful institution. This establishes the Throne effect, like in Gundam 00. It is important that Lelouch’s ideals die with him, so you have to make the people unsure of whether Zero is good or evil. Propoganda is one of the most cost-effective ways to win.
Secondly, you gotta put out feelers to bribe those close to Zero. Just a little here and there, because you know a bunch of those guys are unhappy about getting betrayed. With the strain of a siege, somebody will be willing to Judas it up. Someone like that girl who loves Todou would probably be a good target. If you can get classmates to help you (without them realizing they are hurting Lelouch), that is good, too. Lelouch is not yet cold-blooded enough to resist these under-handed attacks.
Of course it’s likely that the Emperor is just letting Lelouch run amuck as part of a grand scheme. His Plan A is probably to send Suzaku in to run up a wall and kick Lelouch in the face. The use of military feints would be especially effective against the limited Black Knight forces, but unfortunately they have so few resources that are worth attacking. Perhaps if you leaked the scheme to frame the Black Knights in order to split their forces, you could hit Zero’s forces hard and fast.
Easy, you have a key asset:Nunaly, put a gun on her head, the story’s over.
Well, I think it’s not that important whether Lulu will defeated or not – because Humongous Empires always crack up due to such rebellions, and eventually all that’s left if a great grudge.
Very, very, flawed. I disagree with Kabitzin. Here are the most important factors in winning the war against Lelouch, and his Geass by extension; nothing else will save you otherwise (you’ve got to think like him, for crying out loud!):
#1: No Knightmare pilot is to step out of his vehicle to converse with anyone, regardless of who appears to be asking. Those who request them to do so will be shot to death unless they visually confirm their identity beforehand.
#2: The control rooms for Area 11′s moving earthquake platforms are to be heavily guarded. Anyone caught approaching them without prior authorisation will be summarily executed, regardless of excuse.
#3: Knightmare pilots judged to not be in control of themselves or exhibiting unusual behaviour are to be destroyed without question. This applies to all personnel of all rank if their behaviour is detrimental to battle plans.
#4: No fair fights with Zero. Fight dirty, and without honour.
Crusader, I’m disappointed with you. You think like a Britannian!
It’s brutal, but it’s technically the most effective way.
But still, I believe Lelouch can fight his way out of it. The man deals with concepts and ideas, not with right of force. That’s why Euphemia’s declaration last season was the actually the best weapon against him.
Hm,i haven’t seen the Code Geass past episode 8, but judging by above discussion something tells me nuking is not an option, right? In that case, I suppose a VERY large conventional air bomb will do (they do go to school, don’t they?). It’ll prevent Lelouch or his entourage from sensing the attack, allow for the operation to be planned from far outside of Lelouch’s intel network, and can even be disguised (depending on level of media control) as an in-fighting between Black Knights. If air bomb is not an option, one can always resort to ICBM’s. I doubt that Black Knights have an analogue of SETI or Ballistic Missile Defence shield. And even if they do, several hundred missiles (conventional warheads) set to strike near simultaneously around and within school grounds would not be stopped by a defence system (hence why Russia doesn’t complain too much about US overtures in Poland and Czech Republic). But something tells me i’m being naive, aren’t i?
Why does Suzaku have a geass!? Oh god, tell me why! Why isn’t he suffering a painful death????? Damn you, goat boy.
@Kabitzin
I think that propaganda can only go so far. At this point Lulu is their messiah and they are his cult. There is little reasoning with religious fundamentalism, but rather in this case our most effective weapon will be their own cynicism. We need to undermine the myth that Lulu is their only hope and that he is their savior. Deny Lulu the ability to make miracles and the myth starts getting questioned if Lulu cannot feed his population with two loaves of bread then the sight of their own children and the growling of their own stomachs will demand a revision of their beliefs in Lulu.
The problem I see with masquerading as Black Knights is that if we are exposed we risk losing a lot. Far better to misdirect Lulu’s attacks at what he thinks is a command center to an orphanage. Besides Lulu has a habit of making just about every one talk. CP by day bomb shelter by night. If we masquerade as Black Knights the real Black Knights will see through our little ruse. Far better for them to get the hands stained with eleven blood to force some dissension and the casting of blame. Bribes will only take us so far, but a fundamental dispute over policy or strategy that is how you fuck with Lulu’s command structure. Todou cannot be bought, but he can be compelled to disagree. Setting the two heroes of Japan on a collision course will do more to further our cause than any Judas of our own making.
If there rises among them a Judas we must step cautiously as our hands in the affair must never be seen nor suspected by any great number. It is vital that blame be cast amongst themselves and we must be through in our sowing of treachery. Lulu cannot look like a martyr to prevent subsequent attempts to wave the banner of rebellion under his banner. It is not enough to simply destroy Zero, we must discredit him thoroughly by forcing him to betray his own nature to his erstwhile people. Given how Lulu’s last military setback did not cripple his cause to as great a degree as we could have hoped, we must offer Lulu dominion over his new homeland. With power absolute he will eventually be hated if he cannot deliver salvation or any new tactical victories to boost his renown. We must expose him as a demagogue. Their own cynicism must be harnessed to rob them of any hope they might still have.
@ZeusIrae
The problem I see with killing off Nunnally is that once she is gone Lulu will have nothing left to lose. That can only make him more dangerous. Far better to use Nunnally as the public face of our evacuations. After all who can argue with the brave, noble, blind, and crippled princess of few years coordinating the exodus of her people. To add icing to the cake why not have Nunnally also be the blind angel who protects the boat loads of eleven refugees. Nunnally is the antithesis of what they perceive us to be, why not introduce a contradiction to undermine the cult of Lulu? Any overt threats to her person might bring lulu to his knees but then the eleven messiah becomes a martyr who was laid low by threats to his sister. A complete victory requires that Lulu be rejected as leader of the Elevens to deprive him of a base of support. Cut off and alone he will be far more vulnerable without his cult to soak up bullets for him.
@Coaxen
While Empires do break up that should not stop the empire from trying to preserve itself Rome lost badly to Hannibal during the Second Punic War, but they never did consider surrender as a viable option. So long as there is still the will to fight off a rebellion historical precedence matters little. Simply because you rebel against an empire does not mean your success is guaranteed.
@OwenS
I don’t think blockhouse tactics will be effective as your proposals would cause mutinous feelings within out own forces. Given that Geass has a 100% success rate we can never be sure if Lulu has not geassed and entire shift unless we institute a lock out on those troops, further inciting anger and inducing boredom that can prove fatal. The problem is we cannot think like him not are our tool sets the same. We have at our disposal a conventional army, it will take time to retrain them to think like terrorists.
Lulu is a master at playing his game. So rather playing Lulu’s game where we remain the ponderous giant trying to swat the more nimble fly we must force Lulu to play our game. In the short term it is better to force Lulu to play to our strengths in sea power and air power than to try and develop comparable land power. We want to leave nothing to chance and as our own troop remain vulnerable to geass it is more prudent to eliminate chance of contact altogether than allow Lulu to sneak in a few successes. Lulu only needs a few tactical victories to buoy his cause. Give him no opportunity for any tactical success and Lulu will have to try and gain success from other avenues which he will have more difficulty in.
@Kurogane
Perhaps he can figure out some way to over come the siege but it will be a long fight with a lot of defeats in store and few if any significant successes. Ideologically he has the most powerful card of them all a cult. We can offer alternatives using Nunnally, but internal conflicts within Lulu’s cult will be a bigger boon than just the promise of a kinder gentler over lordship. Since Euphie wrecked it we cannot easily replicate the same success using the same methods. If we can split the cult into Todou and Lulu factions their collective ability to resist will be significantly curtailed. Just like how the conflict between Lancelot and Arthur sundered the round table.
@Deckard
The Britannians want to claim the Japanese Sakuradite as their own so a nuclear holocaust is probably the last option they will go for. Using ICBMs is costly and with only conventional warheads can only serve as terror weapons. You are right though Lulu can’t easily stop ICBMs. Given how agile Lulu is in the arena of propaganda the only real propaganda tool we have is the truth. Again if the ruse fails we expose ourselves and hand Lulu a propaganda coup. Given how hard it is to keep things hidden from geass powers pretending to be terrorists is not without great risks.
@sara
Suzaku has no geass, and he ain’t dead yet because Tomino has not put his hand into to the plot. Suzaku won’t die until the very end if at all, so Lu-Qaida fanatics can weep tears of anguish at his physics exploits for the duration of this season.
I’m guessing most of the stuff from that evil overlord website is applicable
It’s easy to win against zero you just wage a war of attrition on him, zero army is just like 500 men or somewhere around that range and the battle he fight are just short skirmishes on top of that his usual tactics are basically guerrilla warfare. The way to draw out guerrillas is to hold hostage of a key object that they would have no choice but to protect and sent a deadline for it to get obliterated, so in the case of zero just hold his sister hostage and say that she would be executed in so and so hour forcing zero to act thus you can plan surpises as in traps and choose the battlefield which probably shouldb’t be on a plate. Build garrsions and fortify the position and have elite army and the main army composing of 5000 knightmare and support vehicles thus probability dictates that you would win since 500 knightmare can not hope to accomplish a ratio of 10:1 and ontop of that zero wouldn’t probably be in the right state of mind to devise his ingenious plans or would devise plans with a major flaws in them since is rasion detre is on the line and about to be executed in so and so hour this rendering their main strength severely comprised.Geass is an easy factor to render completely useless by making the deadline 3 hour thus forcing zero to go to battle immediately thus no chance to plan ahead and scout to geass people and forcing him to making decisionsand tactics on the spot thus as probably dicate the more decisions he makes the more chances he will make a blunder since he is just him and that is how you screw the so called rebellion over and have probably the most advance weapon technologies would help also compare to the low tech knightmare that the majority of the rebellions use and let not for get to mention they are still using missile troops and infanty units ontop of that.
To deal with his Geass, all you need to do is make a requirement that all soldier have to wear sunglasses like the one Mao had, or any other thing that blocks direct optical contanct. So basically equip the army with MIB style glasses, make a rule that requires them to wear it all times, and Lelouch geass has been pretty much neutralized.
And if all else fail call upon Suckazu and his new friends to do what they do best which is to thwart zero plans, and as a contigency plan in the case that zero should triumph take a page from the terroists and sugericaly impant a Sakuradite bomb into a chlorofoamed Nunually thus when the emotional zero comes rushing to hug his sister you blow them both up and get a well deserve promotion from the emperor for using such underhand tactics. To moniter when zero come rushing in to hug his sister just use one of those miniture camera and disguse it as a button.Well that all for my malevolent and filled with gammerical mistakes ranting.
your plan seem sto have a few flaws…
first during the great britannian evacuation you wouldn’t have the sakuradite mines at your hands and you’ll be basically giving them to lulu in which he can use to trade with other nations…
don’t forget that due to rakshata’s inventions their submarine can travel undetected by radar in which fleeing the country and meeting other nations very easy… and since lulu and kallen are considered britannians they could easily get away during the evacuation procedures and with lots of people being evacuated i think the chances of prohibiting lulu’s escape is not 100%… you also have to factor in that the chinese also and other foreign dignitaries should also be evacuated which means the other black knights can just go with them…
all in all it would just leave you bombing an empty area 11 while the black knights are in chinese federation soil plotting and making more allies because from what we saw in the series britannia can’t afford to be waging war with the EU and the Chinese federation at the same time and with rakshata’s knowledge who’s to say lulu won’t use her abilities to design knightmare frames as a bargaining chip for the EU… even jesus will have difficulty defeating an EU army arrmed with KMFs that’s all gurren mk.ii…
Since you know who Zero is, just send troops with glasses to lock up Lulu. A sneak attack should catch him off guard. Once you have him, his forces aren’t strong enough to break him out. Have Suzaku and his friends guard him for safe measure. Then start rounding up elevens and ship them off to other countries. They can’t coordinate a revolt if they’re not in the same country.
@manomation
Using attrition will work, but Britannia must preserve its forces to fight the EU and the Chinese. Thus attrition is probably the last strategy we would want to employ conventionally.
It is not enough that we merely kill Lulu we need to destroy him utterly along with his legacy. We must endeavor to prevent his martyrdom.
@MT
It’s a step in the right direction but what if the soldiers are forced to take them off in the event of capture. Just because they are ordered to keep them on at all times does not mean that they will comply. They have to take them off before the go to sleep after all.
@kaz3phyrous
When I mentioned scorched earth I meant scorched earth. Mining is capital intensive and as such if we destroy the heavy mining equipment and collapse the tunnels and ignite all the readily available sakuradite Lulu will have a hard time digging it out or drilling for it. We already know where the major lodes are so they will occupy a high priority for our RAF. Lulu can have the sakuradite, but it will be useless to him if he cannot get it out. Furthermore with a naval blockade and mines out the ass getting sakuradite from the mines to port will be a significant problem given our naval superiority stock piles can be bombarded and merchant men carrying them can be sunk or captured. Lulu can try to use people power to do it but given a concurrent food shortage gulag like conditions will prevail. If the Chinese Navy had any where near the strength of the Royal Navy they would have sortied their ships already and defended their beach head back in season one. Building a Navy takes time and the Royal navy is already seasoned. Since we have reverted to big guns again you need experienced crews for effective gunnery at sea.
Lulu only has one submarine and it can be hunted down if it isn’t already sunk. By mining the ports Lulu has no safe place to keep his toy sub for repairs, refits, and resupply. a submarine trip to eh EU is going to be hard, and even if Lulu makes it to China there is no guarantee that they will eagerly provide him with supplies and materiel unless Lulu manages to Geass the entire Chinese military and government. Fact is if Lulu leaves Japan there is no guarantee he can get back in. In his absence it will quickly become apparent that eleven defensive measures will be more lacking that usual as after all Black Knights do not think without Lulu. In such an event Reconquista can begin. Subs can still be detected by sonar on aircraft and surface vessels. Mines have always posed a danger to subs so unless Lulu is going to habitually brave the minefields blind he will have to surface at some point making it vulnerable to attack from the air.
If Lulu leaves by himself he makes himself more vulnerable and robs his band of terrorists of automatic tactical victories which will mean that his organization will again be captured, which is in effect a second betrayal of his men. Outside of Japan there is no fertile ground for Lulu’s dogma to take hold. With Nunnally in our custody Lulu will have to effect a rescue largely alone and as Suzaku is immune to Geass it will be a simple matter for Suzaku to defeat Lulu and Kallen in detail.
Why the heck would the Chinese Federation throw their lot in with Lulu? An independent Japan is not in their interests nor will they commit their forces against the Brtiannians so long as there are easy pickings to be had as the EU is looking west. Don’t put too much worth into wonder weapons that cannot be mass produced quickly. Even if they manage to build a bunch of Guren Mk IIs Britannia has a head start on production of Lancelots. Pilot quality will also be important in this regard and given how the Chinese have not been engaged in open warfare Britannia has the edge in experienced pilots. Rakshata is not head and shoulders above Lloyd and Cecile, coupled with the fact that WMD Nina is also batting for the Britannians at most they can achieve technological parity but will still lack said technology in quantity. Just because you finish a prototype does not mean you have no kinks to work out. Even the best weapons have teething troubles in the prototype stage. Besides for mass production Guren MkII will have to be down graded for production and economic purposes, and who can say if the mass production version will be every bit as good as the original?
@wait321
Forcing a diaspora on the elevens would probably work in the short term but they will still remain a source of trouble for years to come. Arresting Lulu is not that easy a task given how he can take bystanders hostage or at least use them to delay his captors. Still exile of the native population ought to reduce their collective capacity to resist.
Though I did not read the entirety of your post, I really don’t feel that Britannia should have any difficulty with Lulu at all. I mention a few of my reasons in this post:
http://are-are.net/2008/04/14/code-geass-rant-stop-team-stacking/
It’s rather the Emperor’s unwillingness (or plain apathy) that’s allowing Lulu to run amuck.
If Lulu didn’t have what we like to call ‘plot armor’ he’d of been dead a while ago. P.S. The next time he makes himself a big public appearance (which he seems to do every 3 episodes) just launch a cruise missile to take out the entire area. It’s not like you give a shit about spin control with a tyranny, just destroy everything within a certain vicinity of where he appears.
I mean they already go to such great lengths of making all the enemy commanders completely inept, which means unless another plot armored enemy pilot shows up, all the battles that are actually played out are meaningless.
@Crusader:
In the distant past, rebellions were not that effective as nowadays. The Roman Empire lasted for hundreds of years, but that was a very long time ago. The British Empire fell because of African workers that had enough of being treated like underlings. Their uprising started a chain reaction that spread throughout the world and led to complete obliteration of the British Empire.
If there ever would have been a ‘Brittannian Empire’ that ruled both Americas and the Pacific, and Japan, and was going to smash Europe using only few superior units – I highly doubt that only one country would try do rebel. Besides, if you ever played Europa Universalis, you know how hard it is to rule everywhere.
The more an Empire is aggressive, the less stable it becomes. War requires more money than you think. The Nazi Germany is an excellent example. While oppressed people will use scythes and forks, and put their lives on the line to fight for freedom, imperial soldiers have no such desperate motivation and need money, equipment, labour law, holidays, and so on.
Just look at the present USA – such a relatively tiny country like Iraq is still in chaos, despite billions of dollars that have been spent, and years of military action. It’s much easier to control a country economically than using force.
@Crusader
i think the sub is probably safe.. amybe it was rakshata and diethards escape route during S1…
and by following your plan about continuous patrol just to capture 1 person and to quell a rebellion would cost a lot of resources for britannia and just to secure a small country while somewhere else the EU is busy reclaiming it’s lands from britannia all because of area 11…
and the value of trading rakshata’s tech is quite high imo… placing her devices to stop KMFs at the EUs borders can effectively raise their defenses… even jesus was defenseless when trapped by her KMF-stopping devices…
i forgot to mention that za warudo would gladly protect his dear brother from anything so that’s a plus for lulu’s defence…
One more thing:
>>Why the heck would the Chinese Federation throw their lot in with Lulu? An independent Japan is not in their interests nor will they commit their forces against the Brtiannians so long as there are easy pickings to be had as the EU is looking west.<<
Well, the USA(and Vatican too) has been supporting the Italian Mafia just to get rid of their communists and fascists. The Chinese Federation is not an ally of the Brittannian Empire – every rebellion in Brittannia means for the Chinese “Har Har, they have serious problems, har har. Let’s sit and watch. But let’s not let those Japanese guys lose until they weaken the Brittannians enough so we can attack them, har har.”
@Nagato
Lulu has Geass, and that means he can’t lose roughly 95% of the time unless the plot calls for him to lose. Everything he does goes “Just as Planned” and as such it essentially trumps whatever advantages Britannia has. The only viable opponent for him is pretty much Suzaku who is conversely nigh unkillable.
@cdr
If Lulu were a real terrorist he’d be smart enough to just make recordings rather than live broadcasts. Well at least in Area 11 common sense seems to be in rather short supply.
You are right though because Lulu is in a different league than every grunt commander out there the only opposition that he has consists of plot armored foes like Suzaku.
@Coaxen
The British Empire by the time it fell had been bleed white from two world wars which they fought from start to finish. By the end of WWII Britian was nearly bankrupt form having to fight two total wars and no longer had the military power to hold on to her Empire. It was not merely a bunch of colonials getting sick of British rule but it had been long in coming because reform had taken too slowly during Britain’s years of strength. It was not colonial uprisings that caused the British to fold it was the two world wars that sounded the decline of the British Empire for in the aftermath there was not enough military power to keep it all together. Subsequent uprisings succeeded because there was not enough military might nor much political will left to keep it all. You cannot credit the fall of the British Empire to colonial uprisings alone. Both World Wars did much to weaken the British Empire and made it dependent on American loans.
The key to supplying terror groups is that you either have to have them under your thumb, but if not you only give them the bare minimum of weapons and supplies to make them strong enough to be a nuisance and not a major threat. China is not going to give full support to Lulu out of the goodness of their hearts. Unless they are stupid they are aware of the threat he poses and will hesitate before giving him anything, hence why they turned him away in the first place. Besides if China is opting for a proxy war then you can be sure Britannia is doing the same.
@kaz3phyrous
A submarine still needs a port and dry dock because salt water wreaks havoc on ships of all types. As there are only a finite number of ports in Japan a loose blockade and mines of said ports would make submarine ops difficult. Given that Britannia has aerial dominance photo reconnaissance of said ports will be able to alert high command of the submarine’s location. We do not need to hunt it out in the open ocean all we need to do is keep watch on those ports. If Lulu is going to protect his sub he will need submarine pens and those will take time to construct. Coupled with Britannian aerial recon and vulnerability of all ports to the Royal Navy keeping a sub is going to take a lot of resources for that singular purpose. The blockade serves multiple purposes and given that Lulu only has one submarine it will be much more vulnerable to radio intercepts giving away its location. Radio silence however will skirt the problem but invite a whole new set of problems as the sub itself will be alone and extremely vulnerable. A small scale version of SOSUS could be installed around Japanese waters making tracking of one sub more easy. Given that the US was able to tail USSR SSBNs with attack subs with SOSUS submarines are not invulnerable.
The Gefun disturber is a nice toy but not a good weapon. first off it requires that a single target walk into a circle into a system that needs wires. Placement has to be key and if the enemy flies over it or initiates a preliminary bombardment then the system fails automatically. Fixed defense are not a solution when there are miles of coast line to defend. Given that the EU Navy was unable to stop a trans Atlantic invasion the Royal Navy has naval dominance there as well. I know artillery and a couple of air burst rounds will effectively cut those wires and shred the crew needed to operate the system. Again nice toy, but it will not provide the kind of static defense the EU needs in the face of Britannian amphibious assaults. Besides once Britannia initiates a war of maneuver static defenses like the Gefun Disturber will be of limited use.
Keep in mind that at this stage unless the EU can crank out new weapons like crazy wonder weapons will not do much for them except forestall the inevitable. Also in the case of resource allocation securing energy supplies is a strategic goal that warrants the use of significant forces. Rollo might be dry humping Lulu to protect him, but even Rollo cannot over come a well placed mine or bombs in quantity. Sure he can stop a lone assassin, but Rollo can’t stop gravity bombs.
why do u wanna defeat Lelouch?… he should win and overthrow Britannia and that little Suzaku needs to be defeated and that probably won’t take that long if that nightmare of his is taken away cause he hardly has any supporters…well…except the Britannians. {That’s my opinion anyways}
But if you are really bent on defeating Lulu that really shudn’t be a hard work cause Britanians 1)outnumber them 2)have better mightmares at most times 3)Nunally (the most important).
It’s just theoretical exercise in coming up with a solution to overcome the Geass that Lulu has. Used correctly the ability to insert sleeper agents at will within the ranks of the enemy is a big problem. There is no one facet of military operations that guarantees success, the art of war demands that one find a medium between caution and boldness.
I have no idea what Lulu plans on building after he wins, but don’t be so eager to extol revolution given how most of them have turned out. Don’t forget that Mao Zedong was a bright eyed revolutionary once, but we all know how epically he failed in the end.
Crusader, the Geass relies on the power of others to win. If there was nobody to Geass, it’d be completely useless. On the contrast, Suzaku’s athletic and piloting ability can suit just about any situation.
@Nagato
So once Britannia smarts up and start using AI Lulu is fucked. I hope Britannia is building a droid army they will be needing one, until some Jedi and Clone Troopers show up.
Given how Lulu sucks at doing physical things, maybe we can kill him by making him run a marathon…
@Crusader: Maybe you hadn’t noticed, but the Emperror’s Geass does not allow him to defy economy.
Britannia has to maintain and fund:
A World War that apparently takes them several years;
Superior military technology;
Humongous administration;
A Huge Army to conquer more and more territories;
Another Huge Army to keep the remaining territories safe;
Another Huge Army to fight with Lulu;
A Gigantic spynet;
Soldiers’ salaries;
Luxuries used everyday by Brittannian Citizens(like gigantic pizza, good clothes, electronics, automation, and such needs);
A Huge City destroyed by some terrorists in a municipal battle during the 1st Season;
Developing some revolutionary magic-science that allows robots to shoot energy beams without a problem;
Insane amounts of energy used by everything;
Starving Slaves, that are crucial for economic growth;
You can’t go like that for too long without breaking a sweat.
Well, if you know how expensive a jet-fighter is, you’ll imagine how utterly pointless it would be to use humanoid machines as basic equipment. Robots are always more expensive than standard machines. And not necessarily adequate for every situation. It would be like using the most advanced and precise nuclear-rail-guns for getting rid of mosquitoes. Or using real people in crash tests. Or serving only the most expensive cuisine in fast-foods.
Setting those insignificant matters aside(concluding that nobody cares about money – you, my dear bourgeoisie anime fans, and the authors), that marathon would be a good idea.
You know – it’s pointless to try to use logic, sense, and rational reasoning to justify something that was created by someone who has no idea about reality
I remember when scientists were trying to explain how Superman could really exist. Still, they didn’t know how to turn a piece of regular coal into a diamond by crushing it in your hand.
To defeat Lulu, I’d use Pharaoh Atem from Yu-Gi-Oh(who always wins), or Hello Kitty to secretly assassinate him, or bore him to death by talking about in how many ways you know Suzaku is Da Best and so on. Another idea would be trapping him in a neverending fanservice episode. Or, you could chase him till he faints, and throw a pokeball at him. I remmeber that there was a golden GS-Ball in Pokemon. Pronounced like “Geass-Ball”. How very convenient.
Oh, and we can use an aphrodisiac on C.C. and Lelouch, so they’ll make love until our hero dies because of a heart attack.
That would make just as much sense as this discussion ;>
This is of course assuming that peace talks are not feasible.
Sign a treaty with China, then pop the nukes. You may dispense with the treaty if you wish.
Leave the sakuradite centres untouched, then proceed with conventional bombing.
With radiation poisoning and the bombing runs, if Lulu can actually put up a defense, I’ll be surprised. If he survives the initial wave of nukes, that is.
There’s only one way to stop a rebellion and that is to kill everyone who might be in it. Leaving Japan as so much irradiated rock, the innocent slaughter of Brittanians and killing CC are the only consequences but eh. That’s why I hired (read: Geassed) those spindoctors in the first place.
If i had to extract CC, well, I’d insert SAS troops with tinted glasses/goggles to grab CC and destroy what little air defense he has, then hightail it out of there before proceeding with the plan as outlined above.
The point here is to strike without warning.
@Coaxen
To defeat Lulu I choose Domon Kasshu, with the patented:
HERE I GO!
THIS HAND OF MINE BURNS WITH AN AWESOME POWER.
IT’S LOUD ROAR TELLS ME TO GRASP VICTORY!
TAKE THIS MY LOVE, MY ANGER, AND ALL OF MY SORROW!
BURNING ERUPTING FINGER!
@DrmChsr0
You know if Britannia still had the SAS they would have ended Lulu pretty early one with a knife through the ribs and into his heart piercing his left lung.
You are right though to stop an insurgency one side has to be bleed white, it may as well ber your enemies…
Well I actually had a roleplay in which my characters (faction: Brotherhood) were fighting against Lelouch and his Order of Black knights (and Neo-Britannia which is the reformed government under Lulu)
First, initiate small insurrections and target the media. “Control the media, control the mind” you can then begin recruitment and the Brotherhood’s tactics are of stealth and sabotage.
Also, it is advisable that you provide propanganda in which you publically show Zero’s senior officers being executed as a way to boost morale and it is advisable that you show the media the atrocities that Zero commits, in order to convert more people to the Brotherhood.
Therefore, the brotherhood’s sources are limited against Zero. So where we lack mass power, we excel in long range and technology. Also in the RP, the discovery of S-humans (the race that distributes Geass) has become a prime priority for the Brotherhood to gain the upper hand and crush Zero (Lulu is building up his artificial S-human Corp and targets other S-humans for extermination so they do not get in the way of his plan)
My characters often use discarded blueprints of the Frames and remodifies them for their own uses.
What happened to Brittania’s air force anyway? They had F-22s in the opening but all they ever deploy in the show is those useless VTOLs that always get insta-gibbed.
While watching Code Geass, I’ve noticed one main point on Lulu’s strategy, he expects his enemy’s strategies and traps so well that he turns those traps against his enemies.
Maybe this is really stupid but it may be stupid enough to work. So I suggest, NOT HAVING A FORMAL STRATEGY at all, get an elite troop who is used to “dealing whatever is out there” and deal whatever lulu can throw at you, after all if most plans don’t work so why use a plan at all..
A very simple way to defeat Lulu might well be by simply killing him, but in such a way as to rid him of all value as a martyr. A pitiable and pathetic death, maybe via a neurotoxin slipped into his food or drink, one that renders him mentally deficit. While an outright assassination would be a dignified death that would allow others to raise the banner in his name, a slow descent into drooling senility would weaken the Black Knights at their core, and once the dual assets of Lulu’s intellect and Geass are out of the picture, it should be a fairly straightforward means of grinding down the organization. Then, as a masterstroke, publicly reveal the mentally-crippled Lelouch (if he’s not dead already) and crush the dream through humiliation (best way of doing this is by simply being NICE to him. Give him a comfortable room and a smoking-hot nurse and allow him to wither away at the leisure of the Empire, live on global TV).
I will also say, that what I just outlined is disgusting and unethical, but may yield results. It doesn’t mean I endorse them, or the slaughter of Elevens, but instead I support the economic posterity that comes from being a protectorate of the Britannian Empire
Let’s look at our primary objectives:
-Capture C.C.
-Bring a definite end to the Black Knights and Zero.
-Secure Area 11.
Let’s face it: Lelouch is an amazing strategist and brilliant tactican. No matter what you throw at him, he will always find a way around it. The kid plays freakin’ chess, man!
So, here’s an idea:
Screw the rules and throw that chess board in his face!
First, play on his emotions. We know he has as soft for his classmates (especially Shirley), as well as his sisters (Nunnally & Euphie) and old friend (Suzaku):
-He never intended to use Geass on Suzaku until his own life was threatened along with his friend’s.
-By setting up his headquarters at the Ashford Academy, he would have the Black Knights concentrate the majority of their security there, unaware that they are also protecting his friends.
-He literally threw away his Black Rebellion to save Nunnally! And failed!
-Special Administrative Zone of Japan. Think about it.
Second, give ‘em what they want. What’s the point in fighting when the conditions have already been met?
Area 11 wants to be called Japan? Fine.
Lelouch wants to find his mother’s killer? Sure, you can do that, but why stop there? Give him her freakin’ body! No one but the Emperor and Schniezel know where it’s located!
Just don’t give C.C. to Britannia; it’s a big step backwards in your plan (he basically wants to destroy the world as we know it, after all). If you make the world’s largest pizza, I’m sure she’ll stay by your side forever….:D
Finally, Lelouch’s fate. How do you break the great Zero?
Pull a Mello on him. Put him in a position where he has no choice but to reveal his identity as Zero, preferably in front of his friends and fellow Black Knights. When he tries to justify his actions, cut him down to size. Break down his precious plans to the most basic motive: revenge for his father’s apparent lack of concern for his mother or his sister.
Sure, he might still have sympathizers, but he’ll lose all credibility as Zero. Now that the Black Knights’ beloved symbol of justice has a real face and name, he has weaknesses.
You can put the rest together.
What you want to do with Lelouch at this point is up to you; killing him now won’t achieve anything but sheer satisfaction on your behalf.
Props if you can pull this all off before Euphie or Suzaku are Geass’d by Lulu.
These are Lelouch’s biggest mistakes. Pulling this off would put you on a level of greatness that even Lelouch couldn’t achieve.
There you go. You’ve ended the Black Knights, restored Japan, and destroyed Zero as a symbol. Hopefully, you’ve also managed to snag C.C. in all this.
The world keeps spinning and everyone’s happy.
Of course, if that fails, you can always gamble on someone random and impulsive to deal with Lelouch/Zero. If it worked for pre-Geass’d Euphie (an “agent of peace”?), I’m sure a self-proclaimed “agent of chaos” like the Joker can screw with Lulu in ways that Mao wasn’t able to do.
Just don’t expect anything to go according to YOUR plans.