Code Geass R2, Episode 16- The United Federation of Nations' First Resolution


Most satisfying screenshot of all time

This episode has the single best 20 seconds of Geass ever aired, bar none. Watching Kallen pull off a punch combo against Suzaku was so damn satisfying that everyone should watch it on loop like I did. There was like 20 minutes of some other stuff, but it was mostly setup for the shit hitting the fan starting next week.

Whodunit?! As if the guy would really get stuck in that world, he’s Emperor freakin Wakamoto, he won’t be taken out that easily. That annoying Miss Rohmeirer lady once again tries to start some shit with Nunally, but good ole Gino saves her. He’s such a gentleman.

It’s sad seeing C.C. in this state, but she now possesses a level of moe that’s really hard to ignore. It’s good to see Lelouch being nice to her, this episode showed even more of his softer side with his interactions with C.C. and conversation with Suzaku at the end.

She looks pretty hot all tied up like that, Orange-kun sure has some good taste, mmmmm. Errr anyways, she still doesn’t rage at Lelouch or start blaming him for Euphie’s death as one may expect upon seeing him for the first time. She has gotten some perspective on matters since last year, softening her stance on Lelouch somewhat.

This scene was THE BEST SCENE IN GEASS EVER. No joke man, I was so pumped watching Kallen beat the shit out of Suzaku here. Omni even found an animated gif of part of the scene. I watched this about 15 times before I moved on with the rest of the episode, it was just that awesome. Teeheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Super United States, United Federation of Nations, whatever you want to call it the world is now officially divided in two, Zero on one side the Emperor on the other. This is what we were all looking forward to for season 2. The first season was focused on Lelouch growing his power base in Japan and solidifying his support. Now with that support he took his fight to the world stage, involving everyone. I found Toudou’s reaction to this “war for justice” interesting, he seems at odds with many of his subordinates such as Asahina. Serious cracks have formed in the Black Knights, making it troublesome when all of these countries appoint the Order to control the united military.

That was one nasty looking pizza, but if C.C. likes it then that’s ok. I think this entry is going to end up way too heavy on Kallen kicking ass and C.C. moe screenshots. Oh well, I can’t help myself.

As suspected, Anya has a significant part to play here, likely geass’d by the emperor to forget her connections to Lelouch and Marianne. Her memories don’t match, so she feels compelled to record everything in her diary and in photos. It’s kind of sad really, to see someone struggling so hard against the corruption of her memories. We still don’t know whether she’s some long lost half sister of Lelouch, or a clone of Marianne, or what, but something is amiss. She just needs some quality time with Orange-kun to clear up all of those misunderstandings and join the Black Knights, right? Kukuku.

Bradley is an awefully clichéd character type but I guess they can’t all be winners. An evil bastard at his heart, without any of the charming insanity of Gundam 00’s Ali, I predict eventual death for this fellow. This is the first time we’ve seen serious quarreling within the Rounds as well, with Bradley having a great dislike for both Suzaku and Gino. Also another instance of double casting a seiyuu, as he shares one with Asahina.

The Knight of One has a freaking huge KMF, Galahad, and according to side materials it’s double the size of normal KMF. He also brings along an armada to join up with Schniezel, showing us that the shit will indeed be hitting the fan very soon.

Oh this certainly can’t end well. Batshit crazy Nina wants to stick a nuke on Suzaku’s Lancelot, meaning that it’s 99% guaranteed he’s going to use it (accidentally or on purpose in a rage) on the Japanese people for maximum mindfuck. Also fun to note that Lloyd and Cecile couldn’t help themselves but upgrade the Gurren into some crazy shit. That just means when Kallen eventually escapes and takes her machine back it will kick some serious ass. I can’t wait =)

Me neither Toudou, but it looks like you have some other problems. If the apples and the double bed weren’t enough, she’s got some blushing going on in a half confession. The man has a war to fight woman, don’t trouble him with this nonsense! Also appearing is the traitor Ougi who now shows no physical signs of having knives stuck in him. He’s either Sayoko in disguise or Diethard is blackmailing him over Villetta or something, he doesn’t look himself.

Every other time this guy is on screen he has a surprised look on his face. You can bet Orange-kun was calling about Cornelia, as Guilford looks pretty nervous about it later. I’d like to know what the substance of the conversation was though.

Domestic Support Officer Tamaki, glorious title for the most worthless job in the Order, great stuff. The rest of the staff is a no brainer, but I’m sure a Ougi being so high will cause some problems later on.

Weekly speech of GAR by Emperor Wakamoto, this time challenging Zero to a fight with all the marbles. Just what we’ve always been looking for in this series, a massive showdown setting the entire world at war.


Moe

IT’S A TRAP! Oh this won’t end well either my friends. You know that him coming to meet Suzaku all alone will end very badly for Lelouch. He looked kinda pathetic here, begging Suzaku to save Nunally rather than finding a way to do it himself like he has been doing the entire time. Overall, aside from Kallen vs. Suzaku the episode was not particularly exciting, serving mostly as a setup for the final stretch of episodes.

Next Episode:

Once again, I will post the extended preview when I find one.

Next week looks to have lots of knightmare fighting from named characters with unique KMFs as well as the aforementioned meeting between Suzaku and Lelouch.


Crusader’s Angry Drunken Rant

I see that Lulu likes Red States I christen thy nation Dumbfuckistan.

The places have changed the color has not.

Milady we shall rescue you from the clutches of that woman hating Lulu. Nunnaly needs you now more than ever.

Hey Feyd can you invoke some Kanly now?

Ah well Lulu makes more military blunders that would have gotten him killed if CG had a hint of realism but such is life I suppose. In any case it seems that Sunrise Is very keen on keeping Iran a pariah, so I hope that someday the Islamic Republic can declare Area 11 as the Great Satan and take a bunch of hostages for 444 days. In true dictatorial fashion Lulu has manufactured consent and put all the military forces under the control of a military junta, Freedom is on the march and in perfect unison! They would be goose-stepping but the filthy Elevens and collaborator Chinese did not have enough balls to do it. Even Todou has been emasculated by putting on make up. Congratulations to Lulu on creating the equivalent of the Janjaweed Militia and FARC, like the ass-hat paramilitary man that he is.

No matter what you do on the stage
Keep it light, keep it bright, keep it gay!
Whether it’s murder, mayhem or rage
Don’t complain, it’s a pain
Keep it gay!

People want yaoi when they see a show
The last thing they’re after’s a litany of hetero
A WTF ending will pep up your play…
Code Geass won’t bomb…
If Lulu winds up with Mom!
Keep it gay!
Keep it gay…
Keep it gay!

Invading your broadcast…

Raping your Goebbels.


BTW Kallen you should take a page from the master, Emperor Toss and everything.

While Kallen proved capable of hitting a man who refused to rape and beat her, the moment was tainted by the fact that she didn’t try to push Suzaku over or toss him down Darth Vader Style. Kallen is truly brainless for not even trying to escape and needed Gino to stop the Knight of Ten from raping her. Lulu however was able to make a heretical pizza using broccoli and to add insult to injury was abusing C2. Not only was he forcing her to strip for his sick pleasure but he even had the gall to beat her to the point of bleeding. No doubt many a lulu-fag will be making excuses, like Lulu was sorry that he hit her and other such nonsense. These same people are in fact wife beaters, though often they just beat women because they can’t get a wife without mail ordering one, and the sick fucks that my cop buddies drag to court. Soon Lulu will be beating up children with his high heels, and no doubt the Lulution will be supporting domestic abuse.

As you can see here Lulu wat trying for some afternoon delight.

Lulu has clearly been abusing C2…

Yes here’s you dear leader lulu fags…

Now I can already hear the cries from teh Lulution that this is not abuse…they are all liars and criminals.

Yes now the lulu fags will say that C2 was asking for it or some other bullshit.

In other words raep tyme!

All in all a pretty tepid episode that made clear Australia is only good for colony drops and that Iran always marches to the beat of its own drum. Thank God Blighty, Australia, Iran, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Ukraine, and Ireland want no part in the Lulution for emo-fags and old retards. Normally having Russia, Israel, and the US would mean that Britannia could not possibly lose given how all three produce high quality weapons compared the stuff they put out in the PRC, but not doubt emo and faggotry will carry the day for Lulu. I am appalled that they tied up my Cornelia-hime like that I hope she escapes and runs a knife through the empty space where Orange-kun’s brain would have been had God deigned to give him one. I hope Area 11 gets nuked again so they can bitch in the CG universe like they do now. Tactical nukes FTW!

More ethnic diversity than in the Black Knights.

The best part was when Emperor Charles raped Diethard at his own game and fucking hacked his system and made Lulu look like an idiot. ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!

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79 Comments

  1. Posted July 27, 2008 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    That Gif needs some Caramelldansen soundtrack.

  2. SlothMaster
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Well personaly I didn’t quite like this episode. I mean yeah they set things up and yeah Kallen beat him … though I still don’t know how they got in that situation, they skipped scenes like crazy … Lord Bradley magically poofed in the prisoners chamber … I’m loosing focus here, SO : bottom line is I don’t like where this Lulu begging Drugzaku storyline is going at all … and C.C. – Lulu inter-relations need some work… and a condom…. ignore those last words. A dissapointing episode… and on my birthday too !!! :(
    P.S. @ MechaLolicon Extrange : LOL true.

  3. Wraith
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    I’m disappointed that Kallen didn’t try to escape after beating up Suzuaku.

  4. Christina
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    The Producers, Crusader? Somehow, I had a feeling that it would come to this ever since the Heart episode of CG.

    BTW, I am sad to say that I live in the middle of Dumbfuckistan. My Oklahoman pride wishes that it wasn’t located there.

  5. wait321
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Normally having Russia, Israel, and the US would mean that Britannia could not possibly lose given how all three produce high quality weapons

    From last episode, it looked like the emperor was a kid during the middle ages so most likely modern weapons, Isreal, and the US didn’t exist before he started forming the empire.

  6. Code_Geass
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Seriously, Kallen beat up Suzaku?!… can’t believe it, must see it!!!! Did Lulu really begged Suzaku for Nunnaly’s safety? but wasn’t he planning something, either way he should do it himself. ~ I think Cornelia will join Lulu.

    @Crusader: Lulu doesn’t hate women, at least I don’t think so…

  7. shadowlancer
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    @await321
    actually emperor Charles is only the 98th emperor of brittania and is only about 50 ish years old. I have no idea how you got the idea he is alive since the middle ages.

  8. Ominae
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Kallen beating Suzaku had me screaming “Street Fighter!!!” with the “Shoryuken!” or perhaps “FINISH HIM!”

    OMG! The Philippines is under the UFN. Looks like me countrymen are safe. XP

  9. lelangir
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    I was thoroughly laughing throughout Crusader’s rant.

    @Christina – apparently I live in dumbfuckistan as well.

  10. Eirias
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Crusader, I love you like the little sister I never had, but if you keep up the Lulu bashing, well, then I’ll have to destroy you. You’ll be the Spanish Armada. I’m the hurricane. Enjoy the scenic coasts of Ireland.

  11. Eirias
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Adriople? Trenton? Granicus? Petty losses compared to what will await you.

  12. Eldar
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Seems like another Japanese producer’s wetdream of putting a fully realized Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere stand-in against a United States stand-in for WW2 Mk 2.

    And look how well the lolis say their lines without Lelouch pulling strings, it’s almost cute.

  13. jack
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    All this is the death of irony…

  14. Posted July 27, 2008 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    @Extrange

    God no I hate Carmelldansen

    @SlothMaster

    They can’t spend too much time dawdling on details, as long as we can fill in the blanks it’s fine. A lot of stuff to get through here.

    @Wraith

    Well she was in the middle of a secure Brittanian facility, she wouldn’t have gotten far. Plus Spinzaku will use his super powers to catch her.

    @Christina

    I feel sorry for you =/

    @Wait321

    I think you are a bit confused.

    @Ominae

    Haduken!

    @Eirias

    Crusader as a little sister? Hoho that’s a scary image.

    @Eldar

    Kaguya is just awesome, wise beyond her years I say.

  15. Posted July 27, 2008 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Confederate States of Lulu.

    wait… Honolulu? LOL!

  16. Halcyon
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    Best part of this episode was Kallen getting some payback on Suzaku.

    It seems that Kallen might really be falling for Lelouch as Lelouch shares a lot of the same qualities that her beloved older brother had.

    Knight of 10 is a real bastard. I don’t see him lasting past episode 19.

    Now that Suzaku is getting the equivalent of a atom bomb strapped to his KMF, how long will it be before it goes off? Goes knows Nina track record with explosives is really good ;/

    Cornelia seems to be sitting on the fence here. Kinda shocked to see Lelouch openly admit to Suzaku that he’s Zero again. I guess the moral of the story is “paranoia pays off in the end”.

    Moe C.C. is just too precious. How long before we get a Moe Kallen?

    Why is Milly still in the show? She’s already fulfilled her role and she’s no longer the source of fanservice anymore so wtf? Seriously.

    And on that note, why the hell is Rivalz still getting screentime?

    I hope they give us an answer to what happened between Ougi and Viletta after they fell in the river soon. I can handle Ougi disappearing but Viletta? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

    I know the next few episodes are going to be a total Charlie Foxtrot trainwreck but I can’t stop watching.

  17. jack
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Wait, I’m being uncharitable…

    Lelouch realized that the only person left in the entire world he could possibly consider a friend or rely on to do something for him without having to decieve them is Suzaku Kururugi, also known as the guy willing to without pause, allies, or expectation of victory keep fighting him tooth and nail until Lulu’s achieved world domination and beyond, even as things stand now. Truly that is made of win and awesome.

    Half the world is being danced to a pipers tune at hard men holding an isolated outpost who put nukes on their mecha. The battle scenes to come will be epic. The River Wesser has nothing on all this.

    They showed that Tainzi had to be fed her lines, kept near Kaguya, and faced forward by a behind-the-scenes crew of cajolers. These are no shining Lolis of epic will like the great Nunnally vi Britannia.

    They’ve shown the death of loyalty. Lulu can fool people, but it’s been established that’s what he’s doing- fooling people.

    Faith in Sunrise restored. Heh, something tells me it’s gonna be a /long/ night in area eleven when this show gets on the road.

  18. Ominae
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Kallen would pwn Suzaku if she did the hadoken, shoryuken and the tatsumi senpuu kyaku combo. XP

    And my home country’s safe with the UFN. Can I sign up for the Rebellion?

  19. emmi
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    Just saw the episode… and true, the best 20 seconds of Code Geass R2.
    But one of the things I didn’t like is that Lulu begging Suzaku, he should go and save his sister himself. C.C like that is cute and it shows Lulu’s nicer side more, I like that ^^

    I think Cornelia should join Lulu and help him beat the emperor along the way. Another thing, I am waiting for is Kallen’s rescue…

  20. Posted July 27, 2008 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    @Erias
    Then I look forward to our war onee-chan. I will give you a Trebia, a Lake Trasimene, and a Cannae. You see sister there was no acceptable excuse to beat C2 in her peasant state of mind, nor can we over look that fact that Lulu, Abuser of Women, made her bleed unjustly and without provocation. I will never support Dumbfuckistan and the Lulu junta! ALL HAIL BRITTANIA!

  21. Grime
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Uh, I’d at least like to point out about everyones criticism about Lelouch going to Suzaku for help… we already kind of saw him try to come up with every possible alternative he could think of, and none of them really worked. So him being pathetic here is forgivable in my view because at this point its his only option >_>

  22. jack
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    @Grime

    Who’s criticizing? I think it’s /awesome/. Welcome to the world you made, Lulu. Enjoy it, because you certainly put a lot of time and effort into getting it that way, to say nothing of the corpse piles.

  23. Rayndog
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Eirias added these pithy words on Jul 27 08 at 6:27 pm

    Crusader, I love you like the little sister I never had, but if you keep up the Lulu bashing, well, then I’ll have to destroy you. You’ll be the Spanish Armada. I’m the hurricane. Enjoy the scenic coasts of Ireland.

    I’m with you, minus the sister thing of course, maybe an anoying dog of some form instead, or a smelly rat

  24. jack
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    @Rayndog

    Ooh! Ooh! How about a battered woman that screws up her courage and offers you the last slice of pizza when you come home? And you can be Lulu.

  25. Posted July 27, 2008 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    @Rayndog
    I’ve heard worse, thanks for playing. Your sis-con license is in the mail as is your wife beater. Please specify your location with Lulu’s newly created Dumbfuckistan. :P

    So sad to see that so many are taking the side of Lulu as he beats poor defenseless C2…

  26. Posted July 27, 2008 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    @Rollchan

    Honolulu? I like that one.

    @Halcyon

    It is kind of cute watching Kallen and Nunally reminisce about their dear onii-samas. We already know she’s all rabu rabu for Lelouch, it’s just a matter of time before she breaks out, has her loyalty tested, but ends up sticking with Lelouch until the end. And we’ve already had moe Kallen earlier this season when she was being all dere dere over Lelouch.

    @Jack

    Well the loli Empress doesn’t have the personality Kaguya does, she lacks the leadership qualities, charisma, and confidence. Has a lot to do with being younger and being brought up in such an isolated environment.

    @Ominae

    The OotBK is always looking for dedicated recruits that are useful in some way.

    @Emmi

    I think Cornelia should join Lulu too, if only to see Crusader rage like nothing else.

    @Grime

    I don’t blame him for going to Suzaku in his desperation, and we know that Suzaku has to have a major part to play in the end of this series, but he just appeared pathetic in the process of begging.

  27. Onizuka
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 1:18 am | Permalink

    Drugzaku getting beat up is fun to watch to bad the only reason he is not fighting back is bec he felt sorry for what he almost did last ep

    Psycho Nina finally puts the bomb on Lancelot worst of all Bombzaku even knows its a weapon to his merit he does not know what type weapon it is oh yes why not try it out and find out i can almost smell the “living hell” event

    @Calawain
    The magazine preview cam out this week for ep 18 to 20 pretty much collaborates some of what was written on the “Korean spoiler” looks like the sked is

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  28. Saggitarius
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 2:52 am | Permalink

    What I can see is that Lulu is royally screwed for actually agreeing to meet Suzaku. He is quite the hypocrite, that Lulu. He thinks the only one he can depend on now is a friend, and conveniently forgets that he sent that friendship to the dogs when he killed Euphie. After being enemies with each other in war, and mutual backstabbing in the form of Euphie’s death and Lulu’s capture at the end of R1 I was shocked that Lulu would still think Suzaku is a friend. My take is that out of fear for his sister he loses all rational thinking and acts purely on emotion.
    As for the Knight of Ten, he can’t be sane, so I think he will be a major trouble later.
    However, the suspense of what happens to Lulu this episode builds up is excellent. It is too much for my poor weak heart. =)
    I think this whole Black Knights and UN thing will fall apart sooner or later. Everything is too dependent on Lulu. Just like R1. I bet there would be no other capable commanders, unless the plot conveniently allows for one. Furthermore, the sense of growing rifts in the ranks of the Black Knights are palpable. I would doubt a leader who ranks a subordinates importance on personal value, as Rolo says.

  29. Halcyon
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 3:21 am | Permalink

    @Crusader

    LOL Why do you keep saying Lelouch “beat” CC? He slapped her once and he didn’t even hit HER, he hit a plate and then he quickly realized his mistake and went to her aid. It was obviously an emotional outburst but it’s not like he was standing over her with his fists clenched beating her face in. Lelouch’s hand never physically touched CC’s body! That does not qualify as beating!

    I’ve included the definition of beat below for your quick reference

    beat Audio Help /bit/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[beet] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation verb, beat, beat·en or beat, beat·ing, noun, adjective
    –verb (used with object)
    1. to strike violently or forcefully and repeatedly

    The keyword being repeatedly.

    Lashing out at someone, accidentally, is not the same as beating. Please see the above-listed definition.

  30. Posted July 28, 2008 at 3:54 am | Permalink

    @Halcyon
    1. Because I can
    2. Your nitpicking and have clearly missed the point of a drunken rant
    3. It’s not what happened that is important is is what a jury will believe. Sorry but violently slapping your kidnapped medieval peasant girl is still a matter that the police are called upon to intervene. I saw blood and I saw C2 fly across the room hitting the floor with significant force. Sorry but the “I was only angry and it was an accident” bullshit will not get an offender off scott free in most of the free world. However Since you love this universe so much I suppose you are right beating women is perfectly in line with Eleven moral values not quite unlike those of the original Area 11.
    4. Clearly you are a supporter of hitting women while under the influence of emotions. I know that the lulution supports such such things as part of Lulu’s new family program where the old way of treating women and running a family are the norm in Dumbfuckistan. I tell you that one slap is more than enough to get a man arrested for the night, you are more than welcome to try and slap your wife and let her call the cops just to be sure.
    5. I don’t care about your semantics or Lulu’s excuses. Sorry but your bullshit would still get you arrested. Sorry thanks for playing though I am sure the officer of the law who has to baby sit you after you hit your woman will be most amused at your pathetic pleas of innocence, as she trembles in fear at your mere shadow.
    6. You lose. Good Day. :P

  31. Halcyon
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 4:16 am | Permalink

    @Crusader
    @Halcyon
    1. Because I can
    2. Your nitpicking and have clearly missed the point of a drunken rant

    LOL I think we’ve all gotten the point that you hate Lelouch with a burning passion, regardless of CONTEXT ;)

    3. It’s not what happened that is important is is what a jury will believe. Sorry but violently slapping your kidnapped medieval peasant girl is still a matter that the police are called upon to intervene. I saw blood and I saw C2 fly across the room hitting the floor with significant force. Sorry but the “I was only angry and it was an accident” bullshit will not get an offender off scott free in most of the free world. However Since you love this universe so much I suppose you are right beating women is perfectly in line with Eleven moral values not quite unlike those of the original Area 11.

    It’s not what you believe, it’s what you can prove in court. Without evidence, you cannot secure a conviction. The “blood” that you’re speaking about was a small thin, papercut on her ring finger. That’s not enough to get anyone convicted of Assault.

    As someone who has been the victim of assault and gone to an Assistant District Attorney to press my case, no prosecutor in a court of law could make the case that C.C. was abused. Trust me, I know from experience. And what I suffered, personally, was far more damage than what C.C. got.

    4. Clearly you are a supporter of hitting women while under the influence of emotions. I know that the lulution supports such such things as part of Lulu’s new family program where the old way of treating women and running a family are the norm in Dumbfuckistan. I tell you that one slap is more than enough to get a man arrested for the night, you are more than welcome to try and slap your wife and let her call the cops just to be sure.

    I’m a supporter of facts, logic and context. One slap will not get you arrested, unless there is a mark left behind. I can guarantee you, from experience, that without PHYSICAL EVIDENCE in the form of a mark or bruise no charges can be pressed.

    5. I don’t care about your semantics or Lulu’s excuses. Sorry but your bullshit would still get you arrested. Sorry thanks for playing though I am sure the officer of the law who has to baby sit you after you hit your woman will be most amused at your pathetic pleas of innocence, as she trembles in fear at your mere shadow.

    It’s not “Semantics”. It’s fact. You misused a word to blow the situation out of proportion. I clearly listed the definition for you!

    Not without proof or evidence. You can slap as many people as you want as long as there is no evidence or witnesses to corroborate said case. If you slap a woman, it’s her word against yours, unless she has a mark. Then there’s proof that an assault occurred. IF THERE IS NO PROOF, THERE IS NO CRIME. Believe me, I’ve gone through this many, many times in court. Heresay, does not get someone arrested. There’s this little thing you may not know of called “probable cause” which is the basis for all arrests. Without “probable cause”, you cannot arrest someone, legally.

    Now if you need further help, I’d be happy to list the legal definition of First and Second Degree Assault for you as well. =P

    6. You lose. Good Day. :P

    lol When it comes to Law, I never lose.

  32. Posted July 28, 2008 at 4:31 am | Permalink

    @Halcyon
    Depends on where you live, I live in a fairly liberal place and often an angry husband can find himself spending the night behind bars for the same bullshit. He will probably get arrested but not necessarily convicted depending on how the police report is written, besides the physical damage alone was sufficient to get lulu in a paddy wagon. Also let’s not forget Lulu swung so hard that he smashed a ceramic plate and sent her flying. Just because C2 evaded does not make Lulu innocent. Also it depends on your DA. If they suck well there’s not much you can do…that is why where you can always elect the hard ass who the local cops support, so long as you don’t break the law you have nothing to fear. Sorry that you DA sucked hard though. Next time be sure to support the Public Defender the Cops prefer just in case. It doesn’t have to be a he said she said thing if the cops see something, well more often or not the Judge will be more willing to listen to the cops. ;)

    The moral of the domestic abuse is to get the cops there quick and keep resisting until they come. The cops are there to protect and serve, help them help you. Besides most cops would like to make sure wife beaters get their comeuppance, even if the DA doesn’t want that case.

  33. d3v
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 5:45 am | Permalink

    @Crusader
    Excellent choice of songs, any chance we’ll see a yuri version?

  34. jack
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 6:15 am | Permalink

    @Halcyon

    The plate got broken because she /quickly/ used it to shield her /face/. Lulu’s gonna make a gentle world and hit women in the face hard enough to shatter mass-produced ceramics and knock them across the room and leave shrapnel cuts. Hail Lulu! He’ll make us safe if only we surrender our right to the common defense to his sole purview! Hail Lulu! Not quite sure what it has to do with being the battle cry of a transnational military legally enshirined with a global monopoly on organized violence but what the heck, NIPPON BANZAI!!! May Japan reign for 10,000 years!!!! NIPPON BANZAI!!!!! Trust only Lulu and get promoted!!!! NIPPON BANZAI!!!

  35. Luchia
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    @Halcyon: lol, so as long as I do it smartly, I can whack you over the head with my cousin’s hockey stick as often as I like, and nothing will happen to me? Alright then :D

    Also, I’m so looking forward to hail Dumbfuckistan and it’s King, the terrorist Lulu, who has decided that walking in the shoes of Chag Wufei is a good idea, for some reason I can’t quite fathom xD
    Not.
    All hail Brittania!

  36. Halcyon
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    @Crusader
    Depends on where you live, I live in a fairly liberal place and often an angry husband can find himself spending the night behind bars for the same bullshit.

    That sounds EXTREMELY liberal. I don’t know of any cop, at least in an urban area, that will arrest someone on an accusation alone without justifiable cause.

    He will probably get arrested but not necessarily convicted depending on how the police report is written, besides the physical damage alone was sufficient to get lulu in a paddy wagon.

    It was a papercut. Let’s not exaggerate the extent of the damage now ;/

    Also let’s not forget Lulu swung so hard that he smashed a ceramic plate and sent her flying.

    I said nothing about him smashing the plate I just corrected you when you called him a ‘woman beater’. Beating implies repeated strikes. He never physically struck C.C. What he struck was the plate, which does not constitute beating under the literal and legal definition of the word!

    Just because C2 evaded does not make Lulu innocent.

    It makes him innocent of a legal crime yes since there is no evidence to support that a crime did occur. Moral crime? That’s debateable.

    Also it depends on your DA. If they suck well there’s not much you can do…that is why where you can always elect the hard ass who the local cops support, so long as you don’t break the law you have nothing to fear. Sorry that you DA sucked hard though.

    Normally, you don’t really get a choice on which ADA gets a case. They’re usually assigned a case or choose the case themselves. I’ve never seen a victim specifically request for an ADA or DA to handle the case personally and that because the DA’s office gets tons of cases a year, most of which they can’t go to trial with because of insufficient evidence. With limited resources and manpower and an increasing amount of victims it’s easy to see why so many cases fall through the cracks.

    Next time be sure to support the Public Defender the Cops prefer just in case. It doesn’t have to be a he said she said thing if the cops see something, well more often or not the Judge will be more willing to listen to the cops.

    Public Defenders are for appointed for defendants in a case, not plaintiffs. The only other route you can go if a criminal case doesn’t pan out is through civil court (i.e. OJ Simpson won his criminal case but lost in a civil case).

    The moral of the domestic abuse is to get the cops there quick and keep resisting until they come. The cops are there to protect and serve, help them help you. Besides most cops would like to make sure wife beaters get their comeuppance, even if the DA doesn’t want that case.

    That’s if a wife can prove she was beaten. If a woman says she was hit by a man, how do you know she’s telling the truth? Do you just go on her word only? That automatically presents a gender-bias against the male because you’re saying the female, based on her gender alone, is more believable in that case than a male.

    That doesn’t fly with me. We live in a society where an individual is presumed innocent until proven guilty. That kind of thinking presumes a male is guilty and has to prove himself innocent. It’s an abomination and perversion of the legal system which creates a “separate but equal” justice system based on gender.

    @Jack
    The plate got broken because she /quickly/ used it to shield her /face/. Lulu’s gonna make a gentle world and hit women in the face hard enough to shatter mass-produced ceramics and knock them across the room and leave shrapnel cuts.

    That doesn’t negate the fact that
    1. He did not “beat” her, as alleged. I’ve already posted the definition for that.
    2. He did not make physical contact with C.C., as illustrated.
    3. The “injury” she suffered wasn’t sufficient enough to fall under the definition of assault. It was a papercut.

    Hail Lulu! He’ll make us safe if only we surrender our right to the common defense to his sole purview!

    Seems like the Japanese and half the world agree with him so…

    Hail Lulu! Not quite sure what it has to do with being the battle cry of a transnational military legally enshirined with a global monopoly on organized violence but what the heck, NIPPON BANZAI!!!

    It’s actually an oligarchy as no one nation has control over the United Federation of Nations (if you were paying attention, a majority must be established before a resolution can be passed) and Lelouch has no political power in his new world order, as per his own stated goals and vision.

    What Lelouch does control is the military component of his faux-NATO which he cannot exercise without a sanction from the United Federation in the form of a resolution. This is highly similar to how our own United Nations function.

    May Japan reign for 10,000 years!!!! NIPPON BANZAI!!!!! Trust only Lulu and get promoted!!!! NIPPON BANZAI!!!

    You also forgot to mention the 47 other nations that have willfully joined the United Federation and neglect to mention that the Emperor, Charles, has explicitly stated it’s a war between Britannia and Non-Britannians. He’s effectively drawn a line in the sand. Either you with them or against them. What side are YOU on?

    Furthermore, it’s really a choice of which is the greater devil. Lelouch, who would at least, allow the governments to remain autonomous or Charles, who would subjugate everyone in the world and create a system of engineered entitlement between Britannians and Non-Britannians (Hmmm wow. Sounds very Nazi-like doesn’t it? Germans aka Aryans and other lesser, inferior races based on birth).

    Again, for those of you that missed it. Lelouch has not ‘beaten’ anyone physically. Did he ALMOST hit C.C.? Sure. But he never made contact and it clearly wasn’t an intentional strike as has been shown by Lelouch’s immediate concern over C.C’s safety!

    Let’s try and keep things in perspective here.

  37. midenz
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    C.C is so moe :/ !

  38. Posted July 28, 2008 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    @Onizuka

    Bombzaku, I like that one.

    @Saggitarius

    It’s going to fall apart to a degree, but he has to win in the end so he has to maintain some powerful allies along the way. I figure there are some in the OotBK that would stay with him no matter what, and then some Brittanian’s who might join him, a few of whom I’ve already discussed.

  39. Zanshun
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Man, Halycon by his defintions is receiving a beating and hes just standing back up and asking to be hit again.

    Facts are that Lulu could of easily hurt C.C. when he swung at her because he wasn’t aiming and he did do it with alot of force. The fact that she didn’t sustain a heavy injury really doesn’t excuse it. C.C. at her current present state has alot of emotional scars, at the start of the episode she would recoil in fear just from Lulu walking in her direction. Backtrack like 15 minutes back in the episode and you will see Lulu promise to “never hurt her”, so there goes any trust she would be able to develop in him as his promise really won’t last the day’s length. In alot of ways just the very act of aggression in her direction caused about as much damage as if he had physically connected because it caused the emotional damage and subjugation of her spirit, rousing a fear that hits her to her core.

    When I heard Christian Bale was recently arrested in London for assaulting his mother and sister I thought it was rather serious and of course it made all the headlines. That was till I heard it turned out to be an accusation of “verbal assault”. Lawsuits go out all the time claiming “emotional trauma” and “mental anguish”. As silly as the Bale one would be to most logical people, abuse and assault isn’t limited to only physical, there are damages that leave scars on the inside.

    Linking Brittania to racism/naizism, thats quite overplayed and really very erroneous. Brittania rewards strength and is just an issue of survival of the fittest and offers Citizenship access. Calling the conquered Japanese elevens isn’t very different from how Americans treated the Japanese in interment camps during WWII. The prevailing prejudice displayed isn’t racism or sexism but rather an issue of class, something that is experienced in every single sort of organization in every single part of the world.

    Lulu;s little UFN is probably worse and has closer ties to Naizism. He who controls the military controls the power, that list that was displayed with positions for the Black Knights was the list of his ruling royal family in the UFN, mostly made up of Japanese and the Chinese generals. Just like Hitler advocated blonde hair and blue eyes while he himself had dark eyes and dark hair, Lulu is a Brittanian advocating war on Brittanians. That is why at the end of the episode he realizes just how truly alone he is. Like Hitler, Lulu’s greatest strength is as an Orator as he rouses his mob to begin a war while he thinks that “Dad is gone its safe”, quickly to recoil in fear upon seeing Charles on the big screen, to go emo and bring harm to C.C.

  40. QueenJaydes
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    The KallenvsSuzaku loops is now my background, I love it so much.

  41. Halcyon
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    @Zanshun

    oh man, looks like I’m going to have to correct some more mischaracterizations.

    Facts are that Lulu could of easily hurt C.C. when he swung at her because he wasn’t aiming and he did do it with alot of force. The fact that she didn’t sustain a heavy injury really doesn’t excuse it. C.C. at her current present state has alot of emotional scars, at the start of the episode she would recoil in fear just from Lulu walking in her direction.

    That makes Lelouch an asshole, not a “woman beater”. Please read and recognize the crux of the argument before you engage. You know what they say about “assumptions”, don’t you?

    Backtrack like 15 minutes back in the episode and you will see Lulu promise to “never hurt her”, so there goes any trust she would be able to develop in him as his promise really won’t last the day’s length.

    Her trust will be regained when C.C. gets her memories back.
    /end debate

    C2 as she is now, is just a shell of her former self. If you watched the entire episode, you’ll realize that C2 admitted she’s gotten far worse previously and in comparison what Lelouch -accidentally- did was really nothing.

    And again, if you look at the ENTIRE episode, instead of the convenient little cherries here and there, Lelouch has been taking care of C2 ever since she lost her memories. Even ordering her favourite food for her and trying to care for her as best as he could.

    In alot of ways just the very act of aggression in her direction caused about as much damage as if he had physically connected because it caused the emotional damage and subjugation of her spirit, rousing a fear that hits her to her core.

    This is almost too laughable to respond to. There are so many misconceptions and distortions here, I wouldn’t even know where to begin.

    Again, rewatch the ENTIRE episode, especially the part AFTER he breaks the dish and see if C2 is “cowering in fear” after Lelouch applies the bandaid to her ZOMG PAPERCUTZ injury.

    When I heard Christian Bale was recently arrested in London for assaulting his mother and sister I thought it was rather serious and of course it made all the headlines. That was till I heard it turned out to be an accusation of “verbal assault”. Lawsuits go out all the time claiming “emotional trauma” and “mental anguish”. As silly as the Bale one would be to most logical people, abuse and assault isn’t limited to only physical, there are damages that leave scars on the inside.

    Funny, how people automatically assumed Bale physically assault his own mother without any shred of evidence. That, right there, only illustrates your own personal bias’.

    The man had done nothing legally wrong but was crucified by the media and in blogs as a monster before the facts of the case were even established.

    Evidence, lads, before opinion. Not the other way around. I, unlike many of you, withhold my judgment of individuals and events until the full facts are displayed in the proper context.

    Knee-jerk emotional reactions (like what many of you are guilty of) will only lead to the downfall of an orderly civilized society built upon rational, objective, logical processes.

    Linking Brittania to racism/naizism, thats quite overplayed and really very erroneous. Brittania rewards strength and is just an issue of survival of the fittest and offers Citizenship access.

    Apparently, you missed the episode where Emperor Charles’ espoused a country built on social darwinism, which, if you’ve paid attention in history class is what many of Nazi Germany’s propoganda machine were advocating at the time.

    Lulu;s little UFN is probably worse and has closer ties to Naizism.

    lol wut? This can’t possibly be serious. A coalition of willing countries with autonomous governments is similar to a fascist government built on racism and systematic genocide? Are you serious?

    He who controls the military controls the power, that list that was displayed with positions for the Black Knights was the list of his ruling royal family in the UFN, mostly made up of Japanese and the Chinese generals.

    Or, you know, mostly made up of people who were IN the Black Knights. The only non-asian in the BK are Lelouch himself, and Laksharta and her team. Additionally, the reason WHY Lelouch has been given military authority is because HE IS THE ONLY ONE who has won decisive victories against Britannia. Who ELSE would they give military control over to? The EU? Which as lost half of its territories? The Chinese Federation? Which almost lost half of its territories? Or the Australians? Whose awesome army of kangaroos and koalas poses a major threat to the Britannian hegemony.

    The only person who can stand up to Britannia is Lelouch. If you can’t see that by now, you need to rewatch Seasons 1 and 2.

    Just like Hitler advocated blonde hair and blue eyes while he himself had dark eyes and dark hair, Lulu is a Brittanian advocating war on Brittanians.

    How does that even make sense? Did you conveniently forget that the resistance forces Lelouch now controls (as the Black Knights) were already fighting against Britannia before he took control? Did you forget that the EU was ALREADY FIGHTING A WAR against Britannia and has lost half of its territories? Did you forget that in Season 1, the Chinese Federation, supported the JLF (a terrorist group) in attempting a Coup d’etat in Japan?

    Are you seriously just not paying attention?
    Did you also, similarly, not pay attention when Charles basically challenged Lelouch to fight against him on the JUMBO screen TV?

    What show are you watching?

    That is why at the end of the episode he realizes just how truly alone he is.

    It’s his destiny to be alone. C.C. stated that in episode one. And, if you count C.C., he’s not really “alone”.

    Like Hitler, Lulu’s greatest strength is as an Orator as he rouses his mob to begin a war while he thinks that “Dad is gone its safe”, quickly to recoil in fear upon seeing Charles on the big screen, to go emo and bring harm to C.C.

    Lelouch’s greatest strength is as a strategist, which is why he was winning battles against the likes of Cornelia and exterminating the Geass Cult. He is a talented orator that can inspire but that’s not his ‘greatest strength’. Words alone do not win battles or wars. As for “recoiling in fear”, of course he would. His greatest threat, someone who is IMMORTAL and IMMUNE to Geass is now back in the picture. Not only that, but he holds control of Nunnally and now knows that Lelouch is Zero.

    Lelouch is at a serious disadvantage against Charles and he knows it, which is why the first thing you see is Lelouch trying to come up with different strategies to disable Charles at the end of the episode. His frustration at Nunnally now being in danger and his inability to save her is what caused him to lash out at C.C. Lelouch is cornered and he knows it. Suzaku is his last hope for protecting Nunnally, now that Charles has re-emerged from the Thought Elevator.

    Simple Logic, lads.

    Let me re-iterate, I don’t approve of Lelouch taking his anger out on C.C., especially when she’s all Moe, Moe but what he did does NOT constitute “woman beating”.

    Fix your logic, then get back to me.
    In summation, Yes I agree Lelouch is an asshole. No, I disagree that he’s a woman beater.

    If you can come up with another instance of him pounding a female in Geass, feel free to launch a counterattack on my flawless impregnable defense.

  42. Posted July 28, 2008 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    @Halcyon
    Point is that if a call is made the usual procedure is to separate the two for the night. Repeat offenders get more scrutiny over time so a case can be built. Cops do get to decide on the method of separation, once that is decided the party that puts up the most resistance will be penalized more harshly. Besides they get enough calls like those to sense the likelihood of abuse, most important thing is to separate the adults for the time being. If an arrest is made it will be noted and the household in question will receive extra attention, and also neighbors will be asked to help where ever possible. The wheels of justice may be slow but they grind inexorably and tirelessly. It’s not gender bias its about separating two supposed adults form doing something they might regret, that’s why you do not try and fight the cops when they come. Most wife beaters do resist arrest instead of going along quietly hence the get arrested though the charges may later be dropped for abuse but not for disrespecting an officer of the law.

    Much as you would like to have evidence come first that is not always the case and the ideal will never become reality for humans are prone to sympathies. Cops have seen husbands destroy their families and to be honest they do what they can to avert such tragedies. Question is whether or not you would allow it to escalate to the point that the next set of evidence is a beaten corpse?

    @Zanshun
    Hey have fun its pretty much a pointless cause Halcyon is the resident Lulu apologist with evasive cunning of a lawyer. Lulu can do no wrong in Halcyon’s view as Lulu enjoys protagonist privilege from any wrong doing as it is always some how justified. Best to leave him be.

  43. Halcyon
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    @Crusader

    It’s not gender bias its about separating two supposed adults form doing something they might regret, that’s why you do not try and fight the cops when they come.

    It’s gender-bias when you automatically assume a woman is more believable or credible simply because of her gender.

    If a woman accusses a man of rape, no one will question the woman’s credibility or ask for evidence. Generally, people will assume the man is a rapist until he can prove himself innocent by some means. That is gender-based discrimination and it happens all too often that solely by their gender, women are given a ‘pass’ on having to produce evidence of a crime.

    Most wife beaters do resist arrest instead of going along quietly hence the get arrested though the charges may later be dropped for abuse but not for disrespecting an officer of the law.

    That’s a separate issue. Resisting arrest is usually an additional compiled charge on top of what they’re originally getting arrested for. If they have nothing to arrest you for to begin with (i.e. no probable cause for assault) then they can’t get you for resisting either.

    Much as you would like to have evidence come first that is not always the case and the ideal will never become reality for humans are prone to sympathies.

    Evidence HAS to come first. That’s the law. An officer is only able to detain a suspect for up to 24 hours, but the officer would still need probable cause to justify the arrest, otherwise you and your department are civilly liable for a wrongful arrest lawsuit. And that’s the last thing any municipality wants.

    Cops have seen husbands destroy their families and to be honest they do what they can to avert such tragedies. Question is whether or not you would allow it to escalate to the point that the next set of evidence is a beaten corpse?

    Like I said before, how do you KNOW a woman is being truthful when making an accusation and just not trying to screw some guy over without having at least SOME facts first? Without evidence, how can I, as an individual, know that a person or family is in danger? I can’t just assume based upon my own experience that a person is in physical danger without examining the facts first.

    I’ll let you in on a little secret, it’s exactly those kinds of police officers which are responsible for shooting a groom 46 times on the day before his wedding, simply because they went on their “gut instincts” without confirming the facts first.

    There are tons of cases, here alone, where police officers are responsible for wrongful deaths and families have been destroyed because they didn’t THINK before they acted. In making any intelligent decision in life, you have to evaluate the situation first, judge based on the facts and then make a determination.

    I, myself, was once a candidate for the police academy and let me tell you, there are strict and thorough guidelines that dictate what police officers are allowed to do in various situations. Their ability to make judgments in the field is severely limited to the scope of department approved procedure. Acting outside of procedure or without justification makes you both criminally and civilly liable.

    Hey have fun its pretty much a pointless cause Halcyon is the resident Lulu apologist with evasive cunning of a lawyer.

    I take that as a compliment ;)

    Additionally, I don’t grant Lelouch immunity for his actions but dammit, someone has to defend the defenseless against baseless accusations! I think Lelouch is as much of an asshole as everyone else, but someone has to provide a counterbalance to all the vitriol Lelouch endures on the internet and frankly, from what I’ve seen on other boards, I do it as good or better than most ;)

    As for the charge of woman beating, If the definition doesn’t fit, you must acquit!

  44. Posted July 28, 2008 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    LOL at Lelouch’s reaction when C.C. was trying to take her shirt off… Damn, he looked so effin terrified! *Ah… my gay eyes are seeing a woman’s body! Yuck!*

    and it’s been so long since i saw a GAR kallen. thank god!

    Batshit crazy Nina wants to stick a nuke on Suzaku’s Lancelot
    she just wants to kill suzaku because he took away her goddess… that, and because she’s batshit insane… and she’s racist.

  45. Posted July 28, 2008 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Halcyon and Crusader- While it’s kind of amusing to a degree watching you guys write essays back and forth, you may want to exchange IM info or phone numbers and just go out on a date already.

  46. Posted July 28, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    @Halcyon
    Just because we can’t charge a person with the suspected crime does not mean we cannot find justice through other means. Al Capone was able to evade arrest precisely because he could afford the lawyers who knew how to skirt the law. We got him for tax evasion, not murder, not extortion, not racketeering, and not for violating prohibition. Just because we cannot prove a man beat his wife does not mean we cannot make an arrest for assaulting an officer of the law. Same with O.J. Simpson you seem to hold evidence up to high standards that is fine however again the best evidence can be subverted by the same slimy lawyerly interpretation that you so often use. All to often those who can afford to subvert the law can. You seem to be green with this issue as tragic as things may turn out a police officer has one of the toughest jobs out there he/she has put their life on the line and play by rules of engagement that would make sane people gag.

    You don’t need to break the law in order to protect people, you see you automatically assume that force is always used. If you had been in the field long enough you would know the tricks of the trade to stay on the right side of the law and still protect and serve. You only saw what they taught you in the class room that is fine, but out there the rules become more elastic most cops worth their salt are smarter than you think, they can be quite cunning. Probable cause can be flexible given the right conditions. In Lulu’s case it was clear that he swung with great force and great anger, the two would have needed to be separated at that point regardless of physical contact due to a potentially hostile environment. Judging by the level of fear any officer would have been justified in separating Lulu from C2, if Lulu resists then he is liable for arrest. Lulu can try and file a civil suit if he wants, but he will have to pay for the lawyer and make his case to a jury of his peers. Let’s be honest now an officer’s testimony is still pretty powerful in the event that there is an accused criminal whose victim trembles so much at the very sight of him. Again in my experience it is what a jury will believe, so tell me if you were asked to decide a case between a man who swung with enough force to break a plate and send a woman flying and the testimony of a woman visibly frightened by the defendant who would you believe? Honestly if it weren’t Lulu you’d probably ding the guy who was doing the swinging. For you see not all people behave logically human history has proved that time and again. Is it fair? No but it is about as fair as we can get. The letter of the law is not important its how you can interpret it.

    @Calawain
    Halcyon is a dude…

  47. Eirias
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    @Crusader

    Halcyon is a dude…

    So am I. And there is still two “i”s in the name.

    Citing all Hannibal? Try some diversity. Hannibal couldn’t strategize his way out of a paper bag. He probably liked artillery too… (fool).

  48. Eirias
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Besides, is Lulu more of a strategist or a tactician? Much as I like him, he is better at the fighting of battles than the planning of wars.

  49. Halcyon
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    @Crusader

    Just because we can’t charge a person with the suspected crime does not mean we cannot find justice through other means. Al Capone was able to evade arrest precisely because he could afford the lawyers who knew how to skirt the law.

    Al Capone avoided arrest not because of his lawyers. He avoided arrest because he had judges and policemen on his payroll. Not to mention most of the witnesses against him either recanted their testimony or met an untimely end.

    We got him for tax evasion, not murder, not extortion, not racketeering, and not for violating prohibition.

    And a damned lucky break that was too. If Eliot Ness hadn’t gotten the EVIDENCE, which was the journal ledgers reporting Capone’s actual income, versus his stated income on his taxes, he would’ve never been convicted.

    No matter what crime you’re charged with, you’re going to need EVIDENCE to secure a conviction.

    Just because we cannot prove a man beat his wife does not mean we cannot make an arrest for assaulting an officer of the law.

    He has to assault an officer FIRST before he can be arrested for assault. You can’t just make up a charge of “assaulting an officer” just because you think the guy is a wife-beater. Once again, you’d need probable cause.

    Same with O.J. Simpson you seem to hold evidence up to high standards that is fine however again the best evidence can be subverted by the same slimy lawyerly interpretation that you so often use.

    Our justice system doesn’t work without evidence. Without evidence, we might as well be living in Iran.

    All to often those who can afford to subvert the law can. You seem to be green with this issue as tragic as things may turn out a police officer has one of the toughest jobs out there he/she has put their life on the line and play by rules of engagement that would make sane people gag.

    I’m not green on the issue. I worked in Corrections for 4 years. While a police officer gets to deal with criminals, he gets generally gets a break. Those of us who have the unfortunate task of working in a correctional facility get to deal with the worst criminals, child rapists and murderers for 8 to 16 hours a day, depending on shifts. You want to know about tough jobs? Try separating a few 200lb+ guys running a train on a new inmate during the first week of orientation.

    You don’t need to break the law in order to protect people, you see you automatically assume that force is always used. If you had been in the field long enough you would know the tricks of the trade to stay on the right side of the law and still protect and serve.

    Any “trick” that evades the legal process is nothing more than an elaborate play at vigilantism, which according to you, you do not support.

    You only saw what they taught you in the class room that is fine, but out there the rules become more elastic most cops worth their salt are smarter than you think, they can be quite cunning. Probable cause can be flexible given the right conditions.

    Flexibility is limited according to police procedure. This is to limit the amount of lawsuits cities and police departments have to face. Also for the officer’s own safety as more often than not, their jobs and livelihoods are at stake when they commit to an action that is not within the scope of their duty.

    The last thing you want is Internal Affairs digging into your cases because you used questionable methods to secure an arrest.

    In Lulu’s case it was clear that he swung with great force and great anger, the two would have needed to be separated at that point regardless of physical contact due to a potentially hostile environment.

    C2 was in no danger, as evidence by her docile demeanor immediately following Lelouch’s act. Lelouch applied a band-aid and all was good.

    In a real-life situation, if that were to occur, C2 would’ve told the cops that everything was fine and the police would’ve gone home with nary a worry.

    Remember, C2 is a slave and she’s used to worse treatment than that. The fact that Lelouch shows great care in tending to her afterwards is more than she could’ve ever hoped for or imagined for in her previous life. Lelouch has promised “never to hurt her” and has even offered her pizza.
    For an abused slave, she’s getting really good treatment and without Lelouch to take care of her, where would she go? Remember also, she’s wanted by Britannia. As soon as she steps out of Black Knight territory she’d be in a padded cell getting poked and prodded by Nina and/or some other mad scientist.

    IMO, Lelouch didn’t “hit” (I use hit in quotations because he never actually made contact with any part of C2′s body) her out of malice. He struck out without thinking. Yes, it was wrong but it doesn’t make him a “woman beater” for lashing out during an emotional low point. Especially since he has never struck C2 before and has gone out of his way to show great concern for not only C2 but Kallen and Nunnally as well. AND, if the previews are correct, he doesn’t strike C2 after that either.

    In this particular case, C2 would not have pressed charges against Lelouch and with only a small bandaid covering her finger, the police would have no justification to assume that Lelouch was a further threat to C2s safety and security.

    Judging by the level of fear any officer would have been justified in separating Lulu from C2, if Lulu resists then he is liable for arrest. Lulu can try and file a civil suit if he wants, but he will have to pay for the lawyer and make his case to a jury of his peers. Let’s be honest now an officer’s testimony is still pretty powerful in the event that there is an accused criminal whose victim trembles so much at the very sight of him. Again in my experience it is what a jury will believe, so tell me if you were asked to decide a case between a man who swung with enough force to break a plate and send a woman flying and the testimony of a woman visibly frightened by the defendant who would you believe? Honestly if it weren’t Lulu you’d probably ding the guy who was doing the swinging. For you see not all people behave logically human history has proved that time and again. Is it fair? No but it is about as fair as we can get. The letter of the law is not important its how you can interpret it.

    See above.

    @Calawain
    I thought you’d be happy! Between myself and Crusader, we’re definitely boosting you up and above the ranks in July’s Battle Royale ;)

    After Code Geass ends, we’re going to need a new battlefield to settle the score!!!!

  50. Posted July 28, 2008 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    @Eirias
    Sorry about that.

    Well let’s be honest here as CG battles got they are hardly combined arms affairs. They even use Knightmare blocks…thus this is just ancient warfare with mecha. Hannibal is still the man to beat, Rome was not exactly a push over like Darius III, yes? Besides it was treachery that did Hannibal in at Zama after he lost his superiority in cavalry. Moreover it was political events in Carthage that did him in more than anything the Romans did get sick of Fabian strategies. Hannibal would have loved to have had some artillery the only reason why Rome was able to keep fighting was because Hannibal had no siege equipment.

    @Halcyon
    You are thinking like a rules lawyer, reality and ideal procedure are two different things again for the caveat is how important is the case. Secondly how friendly is the environment in which law enforcement operates under? Evidence is important but even evidence can still be subverted by lawyers…evidence is not the be all end all of things in law. We had evidence against O.J. he got away because he was able to play on the ignorance of the jury over DNA evidence and masterfully manipulate what evidence there was to suit his version of events. Besides the typical wife beater is more irritable than you can possibly imagine even if an officer is polite for some reason a badge is no proof against a suspect taking a swing at you. I also see that slavery is okay in your book under certain conditions, fine fair enough. Though in most countries of decent people slavery was already outlawed I see that in Dumbfuckistan things are not so modern after all. Docile demeanor can be interpreted a the result of long term abuse in which the alleged victim is too afraid to act on her own. Most cops have seen the signs of abuse, and try to persuade the involved to separate for a time. That is where the problem starts.

    Internal Affairs only sticks their heads in if some one royally screws up. Cops only gather the evidence, it will be the DA who has the job of making the case stick. Just because C2 won’t file a charge does not mean that there won’t be criminal charges if Lulu decides to resist. We have evidence to suggest a fight did occur we have cause to believe that the environment is reasonably hostile to C2 we are in the clear to separate the two for the night, however depending on whether Lulu resists and to what degree that will decide whether or not he spends the night in a shelter or a jail cell. Even internal affairs has their own prejudices do not be so idealistic to believe that they are some how paragons of justice. The evidence we have are a broken plate, corresponding trauma on Lulu’s fist, C2′s defensive wounds, and blood stains. We also have a woman who is not a registered employee or a relation of Lulu’s we have in essence an illegal worker and the man who hired her. Though if Slavery is the norm in Dumbfuckistan I guess the point is moot, but in the free world this relationship would be grounds for further investigation as C2 has no papers or identification. They may be small, however a good DA can make case out of this.

    Tough as your job is most of your problems are but minor compared to the dangers I face. You are more fortunate in that your foe is not armed to the teeth and more than willing to die and take you with him. Also I don’t get a real shelter nor does my job last a mere 8-16 hours a day. Besides I don’t think you have to dig your own latrine with a shovel…Being a prison guard or sheriff at least you can be comfortable in the fact that the suspect has no weapon, hard as your job was it was probably safer than being a cop or a soldier in a war zone.

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