Nice try Sunrise but making the A-Laws /k/ommandos only makes them GDI at most. Still I am surprised that Sunrise looked to /k/ of all places for pointers on the Middle East. (picture courtesy of my fellow /k/ommandos)
By the betraying Kurdistan Seelians had made themselves pariahs among the nations, incapable of winning allies, helots in the service of Azadistani infidels and Azadistani capital, and deprived of all self-respect. I warned you that in 10 years’ time, the your people will curse the parties who now boast of having made the Great Betrayal. You laughed and cast us out, but now you will soon see that what I declared then was no idle boast.
By crowning Shaddam IV Sultan and taking in Kataron, you handed over your “sacred” Seel Motherland to some of the greatest demagogues of all time. I prophesied to you that these evil men would plunge your Sultanate into the abyss and will inflict immeasurable woe on your nation. Future generations will curse you all in your graves for this action. That time is sooner than you dare think.
You people of the Seel don’t know what you are doing. Your country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don’t know what you’re talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the Federation. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let their Federation be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it… Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The Federation can make a GN Tau drive, Orbital Elevator, or Ion Cannon; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you or Kataron make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth—right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from help for your ancient treachery against the Kurdish people as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If you people will but stop and think, you must see in the end that you will surely fail. – Prince Ali
Note: Calawain is busy with “teh Law” School finals so wish the poor guy luck. As he has more important things to attend to it’s just me this week…
And she’s still not there…
Many years ago Leesa was a 17 year old college student who had just finished her thesis, while flirting around with Billy and leading him on, Kujou had skipped her classes on Clausewitz and had a very mistaken notion about war. While Leesa looked up to Katie, Leesa was not nearly as dedicated to her future profession and because she never took heed of Clauswitz’s wisdom the slaying of her own dear Emilio led her onto the terrorist path of impractical idealism. Had Leesa been a more dedicated student she would have realized that “Action in war is like movement in a resistant element. Just as the simplest and most natural of movements, walking, cannot easily be performed in water, so in war it is difficult for normal efforts to achieve even moderate results.”
Clausewitz once said, “Kind-hearted people might of course think there was some ingenious way to disarm or defeat the enemy without too much bloodshed, and might imagine this is the true goal of the art of war. Pleasant as it sounds, it is a fallacy that must be exposed: war is such a dangerous business that the mistakes which come from kindness are the very worst.” How right he was…
Toying with Billy will get you in trouble.
“If the mind is to emerge unscathed from this relentless struggle with the unforeseen, two qualities are indispensable: first, an intellect that, even in the darkest hour, retains some glimmerings of the inner light which leads to truth; and second, the courage to follow this faint light wherever it may lead. ” Clausewitz would have been proud of you Mein Oberst.
Kataron is discontent over the current state of affairs and the nation of Seel which had squandered its wealth that they gained off of information during the war years has been all but spent. Seeking to counter the local Federation forces Seel prepares for war, as Kataron proposes that all the false propaganda that they have created over the years be given over to them as Seel fights a war that it cannot win. Kataron it seems has a network of fifth columnists popularly known as reporters, however most of them were drawn from faux news and were as much allies of the truth as Himmler was a friend of the Jews. Shirin ever the hypocrite would have Seel be destroyed as she steals their propaganda and then has the gall to preach about fighting to restore Azadistan and further oppress the Kurds. Seems the only fighting Shirin has in mind is from behind Seel. Shrin cries bout having been robbed of her homeland while conveniently forgetting that she had done the same to the Kurds…typical Kataron sentiment what they do is not evil, but if some one does the same thing it then becomes vile. They have also set up their kiddie meat shield in their new base as well, how noble of them to hide behind children as well. They have also told the fat kid all sorts of lies such as Seel having already been attacked well before any was even made.
Feddie Regulars have it hard, so many Tieriens…
Even Sergei felt that Seel was plotting something.
It will be war.
Meanwhile at the border Sergei and his commander can already smell that Seel has been mobilizing and preparing for an offensive. As unfortunate as this is the A-Laws have been tasked with one last attempt to avert an all out war. Goodman tasks Lindt with getting Memento Mori online, Seel has already mobilized and has made contact with Kataron. Homer has signaled that there are to be no more sacrifices and with substantial Innovator help and Wang’s funding the completion of the orbital Ion Cannon was nearly compete. Goodman gives Katie free reign and information to pursue CB at Lagrange 3, reinforcements have been provided for with Bring Stabity in GARzzo. Bring Stabity proves how once again that Jihad-kun is an inferior pilot by handing the Azadistani lackey his ass. Now that three pilots have beaten the crap out of Gundam 00 the need for the O-Raiser is now needed more than ever to make up for the sheer amount of suck that Jihad-kun possesses.
That means negotiations have already failed…let’s hope they end this discreetly.
Yeah because stirring up shit with the Feddies is noble and just.
Seel thinks it can fight the big boys eh?
Bring Stabity was so manly and GAR that the loser Marie trembled in fear at his mere presence, such a feeling was not to be found with Revival as Stabity was far more bad ass and had been training with Prince Ali. Tieria thinks the pilot of GARzzo is an Innovator because of the sheer amount of skill, such skills are woefully lacking in Teiria of course as he is a failed experiment that had taken on Lockon Mk I’s inferiority to the School of the Undefeated of the Middle East. Once at Lagrange 3 Anew Returner makes her first appearance as she was sent by Ms. Wang, Tieria fails to notice though because Titeria’ll be dreaming of Ribbons tonight till tomorrow I’ll be holding you tight and there’s nowhere in the world I’d rather be than here in here room dreaming about Ribbons and her. With Anew’s help Jihad-kun can finally use Trans-Am because the rotten traitor has been bitching about his inability to use hax to confront Stabity, Bob, and Prince Ali.
So they profited off all of the Big Three during the solar wars…legitimate earnings in in the Wang tradition.
And yet they want war, I suppose it’s not so evil as it is stupid.
Again I wonder how the Federation can misgovern the Middle East when they have no sovereignty over places like Seel. I suppose the Great Federation Satan is still being used…
While everyone is working Saji and Marie decide to flirt, Saji professes to wanting to meet Louise and never leave her again, but it all sounds so stupid while Louise is suffering from the effects of GN poisoning as Saji lives comfortably musing about how he killed people. Ribbons takes the time to thank Ms. Wang as he demonstrates the full power of his new battle station and sets his course for Alderaan. Prince Ali catches Nena hacking, and Nena attacks Prince Ali who manhandles her superbly. Nena still sucks after all this time and was undoubtedly violated one way or another by Prince Ali, with any luck we shall see her corpse soon enough. Though, Prince Ali in his infinite wisdom may have spared Nena once again so that Louise might have the pleasure of killing Nena to avenge her family. Goodman fires the Ion Cannon at the Nod temple in an effort to kill Kane. The blast was precise and struck the Seel Palace within mere feet of the Sultan and the Kataron delegation. Sadly the shock wave was greater than anticipated and sent out a shockwave that produced a cloud of dust that advanced all the way to the border. While idle speculation would have you erroneously believe that Sergei was caught in the blast, it is all false. A cloud of dirt cannot kill the Wild Bear and only such vile deceit could have been manufactured by Marie who pretended to care by screaming out while knowing full well that sound doesn’t travel through space and that Sergei is not a super soldier or newtype.
Because Kataron News is fair and balanced…
A slip of tongue, because for Klaus the Middle East is the only part of the world that matters.
Ah the kiddie meat shield will be quite operational when the Federation arrives…
Impression:
So yes the A-Laws have plenty of /k/ommandos on their team, still since the crater was not nearly as big and until I see Sergei taken out by a cloud of dirt on the scale of evil it was much less than a colony drop, or colony gassing. Given how it seemed to be a tip off about a government preparing for a strike against the Federation, I rate this as a Hiroshima for the time being and will upgrade it if the crater is bigger. For a kick the dog moment it was pretty precise and the target was the palace. Sure there will be moral war fags crying bout how this is so very vile, but honestly since Seel was trying to start a formal war where many more could have been killed as a result this orbital strike isn’t as clear cut as that really. Any one who thinks this was just pure evil will be blatantly ignoring how a full blown shooting war between Seel and the Federation would have probably cause more casualties in the long run any way.
Commence Primary Ignition.
Dantooine is too remote to make an effective demonstration…
I see like Azadistan in Seel it is perfectly noble to let the commoners be poor while the Sultan lives in a fancy palace…
Besides it be rather silly of Homer to not make good on his resolve to end threats to the Federation sooner rather than later with even heavier losses in personnel. I have to say I like how the Feddies used gunboat diplomacy here. Seel tried to bring in Kataron and the Federation, with no small amount of help from the Innovators and Wang, made one brutally cold and calculated strike on the enemy capital. The implication is clear any state that will wage war against the Federation and harbors Kataron will be treated as an enemy. It also signals a willingness to step up from limited conventional war to Total War if Kataron and CB persist in threatening the Federation. For a kick the dog moment it was not nearly as heartless or malicious given how it was meant to kill Seel’s national leaders who would make war and give Kataron shelter and support. Personally because the A-Laws have a few /k/ommandos I like them even more now. Given how Kataron needs their own new network in Ikeda it is clear that Kataron runs Faux News to counter JNN and wishes to make up all manner of lies about 4chan.
You did not seriously think the Federation would allow you to negotiate with your terrorist allies in peace did you?
That’s why you came to me. Isn’t it, Goodman? Because you knew I could do those things that you weren’t capable of doing. Well, it worked. And you’ll get what you want: no long war between the Federation and the Middle East. And if your conscience is bothering you, you should soothe it with the knowledge that you may have just saved the entire Federation from another costly war at a time when she is engaged on two fronts with no victory in sight. And in the end all it cost were the lives of one terrorist delegation, one belligerent government, one enemy city, and the self-respect of one A-Laws officer. I don’t know about you, but I’d call that a bargain.
At 1900 Hours station time, the Ion Cannon fired on the al Seel. We have already captured fifteen “impregnable” staging areas along the border. So this is a huge victory for the Federation! This may even be the turning point of the entire war against Kataron. So…I lied; I cheated; I bribed men to cover the crimes of other men; I am an accessory to murder. But the most damning thing of all is… I think I can live with it. And if I’d have to do it all over again…I would. Lindt was right about one thing…a guilty conscience is a small price to pay for the safety of the Federation. So I will learn to live with it…because I can live with it. I can live with it. Computer, erase that entire personal log.
It cannot be said that any nation would tolerate another nation mobilizing for war and openly helping out a belligerent terrorist threat, as such it was understandable for the Feddies to use a big orbital stick to make their point clear. The Feddie war against Kataron had been going on for 3 years and for any outside nation to think that they could get away with harboring Kataron without consequences was idiotic to say the least. The Feddies aren’t dumb they have enough experience from the Solar Wars to know when a country is mobilizing for war. Hence even Feddie Regulars were aware of the tense situation. Oberstein would be awfully proud the Federation acted decisively in order to make it clear to any who would make war and help their enemies would face the full might of the Federation. If it had been simply for lulz it might have made the A-Laws true heirs of the Titans, but again it’s really hard to ignore that Seel was stirring up shit already and they ought to have known that even negotiating with Kataron alone would have brought Federation retribution.
ZOMG vast Liberal Media Conspiracy, Shirin must create a no spin zone immediately!
How vile of the Federation to stop the entry of weapons and contraband!
Because the Federation would never let you keep Kurdistan, how typically Azadistani.
Sure it wasn’t nice of the Feddies to wipe out an enemy capital, but Kataron hasn’t been nice to the Federation and neither was Seel for taking a hostile stance and harboring known enemies of the Federation. It is not evil nor was it the deliberate killing of civilians for the sake of killing civilians, but like the atomic bombings the question remains whether or not it was more moral to end a conflict by wiping out many in a single blow or killing many more on both sides in a protracted engagement? I don’t consider this evil at all, brutal yes, but it was a calculated brutality against known enemies and those who would harbor them. It was unfortunate, but again wiping out the enemy capital where the belligerent government and probably most of their military leadership is based is hardly outside of the conduct of war hell even precision weapons cause collateral damage. Kataron and Seel wanted a war, now the Federation is telling them in no uncertain terms that they are more than willing to give them all that they want. Besides considering how the orbital ion cannon is more environmentally sound than atomics, at least the Federation is wiping out enemy cities harboring known terrorist threats with consideration to the environment.
That is the most evil thing that happened in the whole episode, Shirin emboldened Princess Poverty to continue her evil ways of being a couch potato…
What lies Kataron tells! The orbital strike would come later, and if they knew…well I guess it would have been most just for Kataron to give no warning and allow the civilians to die along with their delegation.
If nothing else one of the better aspects of this episode was that Anew was hawt…sometimes it’s what you don’t show that matters.
Another thing that kind of makes it less one sided is that Seel and Kataron set a city full of people as the place to negotiate. One would think that perhaps a more discreet location could have been chosen. Also since Kataron was being watched it was awfully dumb to think the Federation would not be tracking them once inside the city. Here again Kataron was sort of using the city as a meat shield too, Haruhi-sama knows that the Federation would like nothing more than to stop any state from even negotiating with them. The minute Kataron set foot in the city the entire population was already at risk given how the Feddies don’t believe in pulling punches when it comes to Kataron. Whether they intended to or not Kataron certainly could have chosen a better location since they were on the run, I fail to see how hiding in a crowd made them all the braver for it. Then again maybe Sunrise is saying that they think /k/ommandos are evil.
Yeah she went rogue.
Patrick wished that he was there…oddly enough this means that Patrick is probably younger than Katie.
If only Emilio were as good as Patrick…then Sumeragi would not have accepted their idiot ideology.
At any rate Sumeragi’s best friend and only intel source Ms. Wang was in on it so it was CB approved in absentia any way. They can rage about it later, but they did choose to flee from Prince Ali and save their own hides instead of actually protecting any one. I don’t know about the rest of you but I find cowards who run off to save their own asses to be more vile than guys who’d rather make war a short affair while sparing the lives of their own troops. Besides if you were given the chance to end a war quickly by killing off the enemy leadership and the terrorist leadership along with some rich bastards of a poor country (remember all the Middle Eastern economies have collapsed) plus their toadies and a few beggars and other assorted starving souls or risk a long hard war that will result in plenty of casualties for both yourself and your enemy, which you choose? Would you fire the Ion Cannon and end it there or would you rather go through life knowing that because of your inaction that even more people had died and more infrastructure and tax dollars (remember war is expensive and takes money away from other things like subsidized health care) were lost? You might negotiate, but given how Seel and Kataron have spurned negotiation and have persisted in fighting for three years in the case of the latter, then losing a few thousand here a few thousand more there might be more palatable even if the war lasts an indeterminate number of years longer with an indeterminate casualty rate. You have no guarantee your ceasefires will work if at all and how can you explain to your people how it is permissible to negotiate with terrorists when you have fought them off so well. Either way people will be dying…so how many of your own men are you willing sacrifice in addition to the enemy for the sake of your own conscience? Are you so high minded as to put your own conscience as being worth more than the lives of your men?
Indeed, if only Kujou had used her fertile mind to be like Hosaka instead, this would not have happened.
So long as there are men there will be wars. Even now out in our world some one is waging war against someone else. It’s also more than one…
Patrick will be Katie’s waifu, count on it.
Lack of morality in war and /k/ommando evil aside the thing I do no like about this is that now quantum brain waves are firmly in Newtype territory as Marie seemed to be able to predict the future. Still since Marie is an excitable bitch and how this is still a Sunrise series Sergei is fine, hell Hal even got brought back so resurrection is still at work here. It will be fun to watch Hal raep Marie now that Gundam 00 has brought back Hal to make up for Jihad-kun’s lack of skill. Next time it seems that there will be a better battle and I hope that Bushido Bob will make his return to kick Jihad-kun’s ass. Otherwise Bob will be Acre late again, and allow Bring Stabity to kick Jihad-kun’s ass for him. I am most curious to see what took place after Prince Ali gave Nena a good beating. Either way I am sure Prince Ali will not disappoint.
Now, now Katie, Patrick was only thinking of you when he made your meal…
Poor Patrick will have his hands full catering to his Katie when they marry…
Taisaaaaaa…
As I said before Shirin is starting to shovel shit and it’s hard not to laugh at her own hypocrisy when her beloved Azadistan was oppressing Kurds and had done far worse than the Federation. I still do no agree with Sunrise telling us about how the Federation has created an even greater dystopia while showing us the serene cityscapes in Feddie territory. Shirin is obviously a hypocrite who talks about fighting when she was fully prepared to let Seel fight while she and Kataron hid. I grow tired of having to rely on Kataron reports of how vile the Federation has been when they have been too lazy to show us proof. Kicking Seel in the teeth was all fine and well but again much of the implication of evil is lost once you realize that Seel has been spoiling for a fight and had been helping a band of terrorists who have attacking the Federation for 3 years. The insistence that we should be seeing Shirin in a sympathetic light is really undercut by her own hypocrisy and Kataron’s stupidity. There really isn’t much to really paint the Federation as evil, in fact they are probably more well behaved than some nations in existence today, and yet it would be naïve to label them evil out of hand.
Besides Aeolia wasn’t a saint, creating a band of self righteous terrorists to impose his will one every one, and he didn’t create the Innovators over night…unless human experimentation is alright for Aeolia, but not the HRL.
So you say, as you flirt with Marie…
Gee I sure hope those three Feddie Frigates aren’t there to kick your lying cheating ass Saji.
Let me guess Saji also stole your meds.
Anew Returner is hawt and obviously working for Ribbons, so I suppose that when comparing the A-Laws to CB at least the former is more aware of the Innovators and has some suspicions where as CB is blind and fails to see the potential threat. I hope that it will be Anew that pilots GN Archer since they bothered to mention her piloting ability. Ms. Wang is up to no good as usual but it is fast coming time for us to see her reasons for stirring up shit. This episode cast a bit of doubt over who was Prince Ali’s real employer, but I suppose it doesn’t matter to the hero of Kurdistan. Poor Patrick has become more and more Katie’s waifu though all of his efforts have only irritated Katie who was mulling over operational details. Hopefully Katie will apologize to Patrick for being harsh, though it was fun to watch Patrick beg for a new suit and get rejected and scared. The rivalry between Sumeragi and Katie is starting to heat up, but they have yet to explain how Eiffman and Billy of the Union were interacting with Katie and Leesa of the AEU. At least they showed how Katie was the more practical of the two in setting attainable goals for her job rather than taking the Sumeragi path and skip classes on Clausewitz and fill her head with ideals that have no place in the conduct of war. We now know why Katie has been the better of the two on the field of combat, as Katie was the master while Sumeragi was a fallen apprentice.
Well Patrick can dream can’t he?
She’s really pissed today.
It seems the only thing that puts the fear in Patrick is Katie, yeah he’ll make a fine waifu for Katie.
So in the end it seems the A-Laws are only /k/ommandos which kind of undercuts any claim to evil even with this dog kicking, it was probably morally wrong, but what place do morals really have in war? Seel was mobilizing and negotiating with Kataron, war was going to happen and if so why not end it quickly and without risking massive casualties in a ground campaign and storming of a city? Morality is only talked about when a side can afford to anyway and using the /k/ommando solution wasn’t solely because of them as the Innovators and Ms. Wang had a helping hand as well. I wonder when CB will realize that the more they attack the Federation and help Kataron the more justification the Innovators have to trying to wipe them out, so far they have yet to raise a finger against Ribbons and remain idiotically insistent on fighting the Federation grunts rather than go for the jugular with their great power. Still I suppose CB will never get over their own stupidity and now that Jihad-kun needs an upgrade to fight I suppose it is only a matter of time before the Federation comes up with a counter. I hope it will be Bob and that Prince Ali can still kick Jihad-kun’s ass even if the little traitor has a new toy.
Translation: Raep Tyme!
They sucked as pilots, get over it.
Wait isn’t this the dumb bitch that killed off the Halevy family? Well I never could say no to a cool 50 mil.
That’s Prince Ali to you bitch!
So how did it feel Nena to lose your whole family right before your eyes? Do onto others what you would have done to you, Prince Ali always said…so tell me punk do you feel lucky? Well DO YOU?!
I tell ya Prince Ali is one hell of a dancing partner.
Prince Ali will kill you too Nena…
Oh Nena got rejected.
Is that fear I smell CB scum…
I’d like to see you try Nena, but Louise was willing to pay money for the pleasure of killing you…
Comrade Haesslich said something about who wears the pants in THAT relationship…
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@ crusader
i’m not so sure about GN aids not affecting them much, after each a-laws administered enema kataron seems to get progressively more stupid, ditto for CB as demonstrated by the meisters slow lapse into retardation by constant exposure to GN particles
indeed, the orbital cannon strike while excessive did get the point across, whether it will have the desired affect on the federations enemies remains to be seen, as sometimes such shows of force can have the opposite effect and make their enemies redouble their efforts, like how the word ‘gun’ can do many strange things when yelled out during a fist fight (or anywhere in public where lots of peope are gathered really)
fair enough regarding Prince ali,
despite the continuance of the sunrise revolving door of death, i’m genuinely pleased that hallelujah is back, due to his similar no bullshit view on things
and seeing as i have some surplus bile here, let me say that CB would probably fare alot better if they put fon spaak to work inside the cherudim, as opposed to recruiting lercharous lyle, but there i go again on one of my little tangents
@blind_dead_mcjones
True, something must be giving CB and Kataron a severe case of the stupid, let’s hope the Feddies are following proper PPE and HAZMAT procedures.
Well the threat of annihilation of a weapon of unimaginable power has worked before, and it did lead to a peace of sorts under MAD. It’s not that hard for the Feddies to simply push a button and do it, besides it forced the enemy population into permanent refugee status which isn’t all that workable. Then again there will be die-hards, on the plus sides if they congregate you can kill them en masse if they de-centralize you can take them out piece meal. Even if Seel wants to continue on it neighbors might want to make peace while they can on more generous terms.
I am wary of having Hal come back, but at least it prevents Al and Marie so that’s good. Maybe it will take Louise to kill Haptism off for good to avenge Soma.
I take so long to read and comment on your posts of win because I only got to watch the ep last night.
Patrick is my new hero. Thanks for pimping Katie x Patrick all this time.
@blind_dead_mcjones: How can you even suggest Fon Spark? That’s like pretty much upstaging Setsuna to the point where even the 5 year olds can figure it out. At the moment, you still got people in forums all over the net praising Setsuna and accepting him as a main character lead. The moment Fon Spark comes out, it’s like, oh hey, Ali’s honor’s student came in, get out Kurdish dropout.
@ lawl
thats precisely WHY i suggested fon spaak, cos he’s a success story from the Prince ali 3-step program to manliness, he doesn’t even try shovelling (or believeing in) the pretentious self righteous idealist bullshit CB feeds everyone cos he was press ganged into the group, and when he isn’t piloting he is kept in handcuffs and kept in line via a friendship band of explodium wrapped around his neck.
not to mention he’s a damn sight more intelligent and competent than the current crop of meisters, even if he might be violent and possibly batshit insane.
not to mention if it weren’t for him CB wouldn’t even HAVE their GN drives anymore, and patrick would’ve possibly died of suffocation/starvation if he didn’t kick him down from orbit (though i doubt that was the intention on fons part but still)
I think Crusader is hot. *blush*
and I thought I was the only one XD \o/
argh I posted whatever thing.
I think Crusader is hot. *blush*
and I thought I was the only one XD \o/
Oh man, I hate to be the one to break it to you guys but based on last season’s finale it’s highly likely that Anew is just another guy wearing the same kind of ladysuit Tieria recently wore.
Also, I love that .gif of Patrick. How did he get right behind Kati so quickly? Power of love, maybe? I really hope those two make it out alive.
and I thought I was the only one XD \o/
OMG. I thought I was the only one too. XD Let’s KYA! over him together. I wonder if he’ll spit out whatever he’s drinking when he reads our post =D
What a farce. By your logic, the war on Iraq should not have started with troops but with a nuke. It would have saved American lives, wouldn’t it? Doesn’t matter if a bunch of Iraqis are flattened.
And don’t wield Clausewitz into a discussion of modern-day war. The man’s intent in his philosophy was to outline the state of war after Napoleon, but the world wars changed the political and military landscape, and Clausewitz, while realistic, is largely no longer applicable to present situations.
Not to mention, the Federation is NOT in a state of war. The firing of Memento Mori is an act of war, not so much a preventative measure you fervently insist it is. Or, it can be classified as righteous–under the Bush Doctrine.
The most hilarious aspect of your opinion is how the A-LAWS are effectively the Celestial Being of season one here, and you adamantly bashed CB last season. Is it because the A-LAWS have the sanction of government, and that automatically makes them good men and good soldiers? The oppression of the minority for the sake of the majority is not evil and not hypocritical at all. The leaders of the A-LAWS are clearly noble men for making the decision to fire without negotiation first. They want to end conflict swiftly, and therefore take it upon their own consciences to shoulder the burdens of the deaths.
Huh. Sure sounds like Celestial Being from the first season.
LOL! Kati seems to wish that she knocked Patrick to next week with her fists. XP
@Solunar adn Ramila
Okay kids you’ve had you fun, cut it out.
@escaru
Then let’s hope Anew stays in her present state.
Enjoy the gif.
Patrick is Immortal and so is Katie trhough diffusion.
@Flairgin
Look I don’t believe that war is any better than barbarism and once the option is taken the only thing nations really look for is victory. You can trot out your Iraq example all you like, but even when the US went in conventionally was the outcome any more rosier? War has always been nasty business and I don’t think there is much merit in trying to make believe that you can have a nice clean war. I think it hardly makes a difference to the dead whether they were incinerated or lined up and shot.
I think Clausewitz still applies and is not outmoded by modern advances because at the end of the day war is still about destroying the other side. Is not war still an act of violence to compel your enemy to conform to your will? Just because the Vietnam War was a limited one for the US doesn’t mean that it wasn’t a Total War for the North Vietnamese. War is about winning is it not? Otherwise why even go to war if you intend to lose? Even in the nether regions of the world there are still total wars fought with little mercy, it is only in the West is there any serious notion that war can be fought in a clean manner. More over neo-cons are more like you in that you can imagine that war might some how be anything less than barbarity. Not even neo-cons have the will to unleash a WMD in an opening strike, no this was something not hindered by anything less than pure unadulterated practicality.
I am not saying whether it’s right or not, but frankly it was the smart strategic move to make. Oh sure it may be deplorable, but who now says much of anything about the destruction of Thebes or the destruction of the Khwarezmian Empire with tears in their eyes?
The Federation has been at war with Kataron for 3 years, it’s a shooting war with people dying and in my book that’s pretty much war. Kataron’s stated goal is the destruction of the Federation. Thus I think the Federation has been in a state of war as Kataron has not surrendered nor have they stopped agitating for the destruction of the Federation. From a strategic point of view the Federation is at war on two fronts, against Kataron, and against Celestial Being, the last thing they need is an other war with an entire region. I did not hear anything about justice from Goodman when he commenced primary ignition, with the A-Laws there is no pretension that they are fighting for anything but their stated national goals, its not right, but it is honest.
As I have said before, the implication is that this was the latest in a series of Seel and the Feddies rattling their sabers, even Sergei felt that war was imminent. Kataron was in the minority when they were in the Federation, they opted for war and were kicked out now that they are out they draw support from outsiders to continue their goal of destroying the Federation, how right is it of the minority to try an force the majority to accept their will? They were already on the outside and yet from the outside they make assaults on the Federation and plant sleeper cells in Feddie territory, you think the US is the only place that would take steps to defeat terrorists from abroad, we have only recently actually been doing it directly, in the past it would have been a CIA operation and we’d be like the rest of the world and pay someone else to fight a small little war for our interests. Heck in Africa they do it all the time in supporting rebels in neighboring countries…
Do Lindt or Goodman pretend that they actually care about a guilty conscience? I don’t think they do and that is the difference. Seel is not a friend and in war they treated them like enemies and did not pretend to be going into Seel in a war of liberation. Seel had Kataron over for tea, negotiations between the Feddies and Seel had already failed, war seemed inevitable from even Kataron’s point of view, so would it have been more moral for the Feddies to let Seel strike first?
It isn’t right of course, war is never about who’s right. Still this being a work of fiction I can at least appreciate the cold-hearted decision to make the first strike. Again that is very different from CB who couldn’t get anything done at all. Lindt is nothing like Sumeragi, Bob is nothing like Jihad-kun, and the A-Laws are not moralizing their position or what they do. They just do what they do best kill Kataron and all who help them. As hilarious as you find my opinion, I find it doubly hilarious that you even think Lindt has a conscience.
So instead of moaning about a doctrine that will soon the throttled and dead by January of next year, perhaps you can sit back and enjoy the fact that the Feddies and A-Laws are not feeding you some sort of BS about ending war or shouldering guilt, because they aren’t.
@Ominae
I am sure they will make up some how…
We are not kids! I’m 20, I’ll have you know!
Yamila > I bet he’s just shy and he doesn’t know how to handle fangirls. Awww… so adorable. I wish there was a Crusader plushie! He would have a helmet on and a little gun at the side. And he would be soft and squishy with big chibi eyes. Maybe with a small grenade too?
Hmmm…. I think that WMDs must to convey a lot of awe. But I am hardly impresed by the way they showed the action. It looks almost like the A-Laws only killed a terrorist with a bad politician and a bunch of guards. Sunrise focuse all the ”drama” in the secondary characters, is so shy to show dead civilans and kids that I think that the only good thing of these episode is that Hallelujah is back, correction and the new spy. If they want an anime that elementary school kids can see, why they dont make some thing else in place of kill Gundam? First season was average. But second season sucks. In ten episodes the only god thing I can remember is Titeria.
@blind_dead_mcjones: Yeah, but then the spotlight wouldn’t belong to Bob or Prince. And Spark would stand out from the other 3 meisters unlike the terrorist kid. Sure, he’s a cooler character, but this is a Sunrise show. A main cast that can compete with the antagonists in cool can never happen.
I mean, you are suggesting to fix a crack in a dam with a band-aid. It just doesn’t work. And if you bitch about the show entirely, you get attacked by Animesukies who are always 10 years behind on the bandwagon. Only now have they started bitching about action when it was apparent even in S1.
00 is mediocre =] and doesn’t have the flair like Geass to make up for it. Only way you can feel better watching it is if you put Prince Ali and Bushido Bob as the main protagonists in your own mind, like pretty much what Crusader is doing now. At least those two beat out Geass and other mecha series in any pilot/badass comparison. Well, no Spinzaku is too strong in personal combat.
@ lawl
it has nothing to do with the characters being cool, it’s more to do fixing a plot hole, why go to the effort of recruiting someone into CB on such short notice as well as retrieve a person who has proven themselves to be an inefficient and unsuitable commander, when they could’ve drawn from Fereshte’s resources instead, considering they’d be made reduntant now that they no longer have the 0 gundams GN drive to use, and the increase in manpower would be to their advantage.
thats hardly ‘fixing a crack in a dam with a band-aid’i'm well aware that it won’t fix everything wrong in the show, but it will make things more bearable i wouldn’t go so far as to call 00 mediocre, that i reserve for the 2nd season of geass (and considering how it’s going at the moment linebarrels of iron as well), i’m going to reserve judgemnet till the 00 series is over, if it proves to be as bad as GSD, then sunrise needs to lift their game somewhat.
and if animesukies wanna attack me they can go right ahead, but they’d be wasting their time.
i just noticed something, if you invert the colours on the ‘Feddie Regulars have it hard, so many Tieriens…’ image, you will notice that there is a flag amongst them, which makes me feel good as it means not all of them are being wasted by kataron.
Even your old Gundam00 are full of shit I see Crusader…
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