Macross Plus episode 04 – Reentry

The final episode of Macross Plus is all about returning. Returning to Earth and the original SDF Macross capital ship. Returning to the truth of old memories. Returning to feelings thought long gone. Even returning, in a less explicit way, to the manned fighter with the duel between the Project Supernova prototypes and the unmanned Ghost. Isamu and Guld emerge from long range fold and make their way to Macross City, while on the planet Sharon has fully realized her capabilities and begins compromising systems and taking control of everything she can get her programming into in a weird way of expressing love for Isamu. Myung is still held captive by the AI that has absorbed her feelings and memories, but even after escaping she runs into more trouble. In a most un-Macrossian fashion the final battle takes place against ‘love’ and singing.

Isamu and Yang plot a course to Macross City, using destroyed planetary defense satellites as cover while descending.

Have to say that I’m liking the YF-19 cockpit a lot more now that it’s gotten a more thorough depiction in this episode. Even the RIO’s seat is pretty cool.

Transitioning from systems off to full flight mode once the defenses were breached.

Haha, Isamu is my kind of cocky.

After taking Myung’s songs and her emotions, Sharon cuts pretty deep with that remark. Myung is pretty much only those two things at this point in life.

Isamu will need luck and skill to pull this one off. Sharon has her audience enthralled and the Macross and Ghost under her control.

As Isamu approaches the city Guld catches up with him, dead set on settling their past scores. The dogfighting was particularly beautiful, near sunset over the still-cratered landscape left behind from the Zentradi bombardment in the original series. Both pilots lose massive respect points though for taking their personal grudge into a populated urban section of the city though. Guld and Isamu keep yelling out their past rivalries and grudges as they try to kill each other, which is immature but whatever, but then they take the fight into the city in battroid form and cause quite a bit of destruction and probably some deaths too. Sure, urban battroid combat looks really cool, but for a franchise that is usually pretty explicit about depicting collateral damage for what it is, it’s either an attempt to make the characters seem really obsessive and dark (despite the lighthearted background music), or was a careless oversight or unfortunate compromise for the sake of giving the pilots a cool battleground. After taking their fight back to the skies, Guld has what he believes to be the killing shot with a missile barrage, and at the moment of impact fully remembers the incident that made him hate Isamu so much: Guld walked in on Myung apparently being comforted or confessing to Isamu and, contrary to how he remembered it earlier, discovers that he was the one who turned violent against Myung. In the subsequent years he somehow suppressed his memory to such an extent that he really believed that Isamu was the bad guy. Fortunately Isamu used a maneuver from his high school days and dodged the missiles, and the two pilots are now able to reconcile.

The use of the cratered landscape was an excellent reminder of the events of SDF Macross. Being in the background it was subtle, but still very profound. One can never really forget the cratered devastation that was suddenly released upon Earth, nor the hope of reconstruction that took place in some of the same craters. And all it took was a background to link the events together.

Oh, well if it’s about your anime DVDs then trying to kill each other is perfectly understandable!

Not cool guys. I guess Guld is more at fault since he started firing first, but Isamu will definitely get some responsibility for not trying to exit the city as soon as possible should this incident come up before a court marshal hearing.

Now we find out that not only is the main point of contention between the two male leads fake, but that it was reversed in Guld’s mind while the other two parts of the triangle knew. Well played, Macross Plus.

Some more delicious fighter-mecha pr0n. Mmm, handdrawn animation does shadows well.

Things like this make Isamu so likeable to me despite him being so full of himself. At his core he’s not a jerk, even in extreme circumstances he maintains his decency. Unlike a certain unworthy successor to the YF/VF-19…

Isamu and Guld solve their dispute finally, just in the nick of time. The prototype Ghost under the control of Sharon heads straight for them, both craft narrowly missed by its opening laser shot. Both pilots take evasive maneuvers while Yang confirms that the Ghost has been compromised by the AI idol. With Myung still being held in Macross City, Guld tells Isamu to leave the fray and head their to rescue her while Guld and his YF-21 engage the unmanned fighter. Inside the original Macross, Myung is still being held up by cables and now that Sharon is through with her, strangled by the cords. She manages to free herself somehow, but her problems continue when she makes it out into the hallway. Two guards see her, and with a look she recognizes that they’re going to kill her. Running to a nearby elevator, she manages to escape the guards due to their laziness and sheet lack of accuracy. Worst hired goons ever.

The Ghost is aptly named, we barely see it onscreen for more than fractions of a second at a time. The weapons of each of the three prototypes is interesting in its own way. The YF-19 is more conventional with a kinetic main gun, the YF-21 appears to use Zentradi particle beam weaponry, and the Ghost clearly has a high powered laser.

They take their sweet time chasing her down the hallway, don’t even bother to aim, and then move EVEN MORE SLOWLY when their target is on the floor in front of them. They must be members of the Teamsters Union or something.

No one else is noticing this either, the Sharon AI has everyone in Macross City entranced somehow.

With Sharon now in control of the Ghost and the Macross and the public entranced, her lead designer Marge Gueldoa realizes his dream and jumps into the Macross-sized holographic projection of his creation, falling to his death somewhere near the crater that the Macross rested in. While we get very little background on him during Macross Plus, in the end all we know is that he was so obsessed with bringing an artificial intelligence to ‘life’ that he’d kill, compromise security, and then in the rapture of his achievement willingly fall to his death. The Macross begins to rise once more from its home at the center of Macross City, with a nice little bit of mechanical fanservice in a shot where we see the anti-gravity generators, the same ones that ripped free from their housings when the Macross first tried to launch, spooling up and preparing to lift off. Fortunately for the city the main cannon is no longer operable, but the myriad of AAA guns on the exterior of the Macross is used to try and keep Isamu at bay. Inside the ship, Myung confronts Sharon and attempts to destroy her, but her efforts are for naught. In Sharon’s view she’s loving Isamu by giving him what he wants, the excitement of being near death and pushing himself and his machine to the limit. Isamu moves to within sight of Myung and Yang looks for a way to break Sharon’s link to the Macross computer, only to be driven back when looking for the control room.

The Macross rises again, unfortunately not to prevent destruction but to bring it.

Marge, we barely knew ye.

No pull-the-girl-into-the-cockpit rescue just yet…

Quite similar to the holographic projection of the traitorous Ranka Lee being displayed over the Battle Galaxy during the final battle of Macross Frontier, another time where the power of music was used to evil ends.

Submachinegun FAIL.

Macross Plus has a very practical moral for everyone: don’t let your feelings fester for years or else an evil intelligent computer program will absorb them and try to kill everyone. It could happen to you!

Outside of Macross City, Guld is still fighting with the Ghost. As Isamu prepares to attack the main computer of the Macross, Guld radios him and says that he was looking forward to having a drink to celebrate their reunion after seven years, and then, that he has to go. Myung can hear all of this and she and Isamu instantly realize what he’s going to do. To fight the Ghost, Guld removes all the limiters and turns off the gravity adjustment devices, allowing him for a brief moment to match the Ghost’s incredible maneuverability. Just long enough to fire directly at it and then ram the YF-21 into the drone, destroying both and killing Guld. As Isamu heads for the computer core, Sharon’s program infiltrates his Valkyrie’s systems via the connection Yang used to access the interior layout. First appearing to Yang, she uses her hypnotic voice to get him to fire his pistol at Isamu, the glass of his helmet luckily is able to withstand the glancing shot. Quickly ejecting the rear seat, Isamu isn’t safe either, being put to sleep by Sharon until Myung’s singing from memories of days past awakens him just in time to keep from crashing. Destroying the computer core and Sharon, Isamu wakes the city from its trance and heads to pick up Myung, a smile crossing both their faces as we’re left to imagine where they’ll go from here.

Guld manages to pull it off, albeit at the cost of his life. Really, he didn’t need to sacrifice himself, only keep the Ghost busy long enough for Isamu to destroy Sharon. But the guilt he felt was evident once he recovered his memories, and he probably saw this as a chance to atone and to prove that he could beat Isamu for once.

I’ve been wondering if the two Sharons are just costume changes or if they are supposed to represent different parts of her personality or the feelings she got from Myung. There’s no real proof or even strong evidence either way except for the fact that the orange haired one didn’t speak and seemed to be the secondary form.

A nice Macross reversal, where music that can easily reach everyone is this time the threat. Also, if you think this is bad Isamu, wait till you hear Firebomber (well, the songs where Mylene is on lead vocals aren’t bad.)

The AI isn’t stalking you, it’s Deep Love! Jiiiiiiiii.

Myung looks much better now that she’s finally smiling, unlike that creepy semi-Michael Jackson look she had going on before. A bit of denouement about what happened with her and Isamu afterwards would have been nice, but I guess I can live with the promise of good things to come.

Closing with another message to ‘the pioneers.’ Despite the often tragic tone of the series, the inspirational message at the end didn’t feel out of place. The series definitely glorified the urge to pioneer, to try new things or to create something new, with the obsession of Marge, the rivalry between Isamu and Guld, and the despair of Myung serving more as warnings than actual discouragement.

Final Thoughts: – A very enjoyable sidestory, but it probably comes in towards the bottom end of my Macross rankings. That is not to say that it’s not very good, unlike Gundam, the Macross franchise has yet to actually disappoint me with any of its series (but Macross 7, oh are you trying my goodwill.) I really enjoyed the technical detail of the flight testing and the more somber mood compared to the other Macross canon. The way the characters related to their dreams, in a positive sense of trying to achieve them or in a negative sense of defining dreams against another (Guld) or depression over not achieving them (Myung), was a great foundation for the characters. But, the character development felt somewhat limited since the characters didn’t change so much as rediscover some things about themselves. This may be partly due to the short duration of the series, four episodes is not much time at all to fit in everything that Macross Plus tried to. As it is, it was a very interesting, very rich little piece of the Macross universe, but it was still only a little piece. I do have a bias against movies and very short series though, since much of what I live for in fiction is that which can only be developed, built up, and worked out over time.

- With 3/5 of Macross 7 to go, it won’t be long until I’m through with the complete Macross canon. Frontier certainly got me interested, but retroblogging the various Macross series here has cemented me as a fanboy. I’m kind of having a crisis of mecha faith at the moment, since I see Macross repeatedly do things right in pretty much all the series (again, 7 may be an outlier, but I won’t know until I finish it), while Gundam has failed so many times outside of the UC 0079 to 0085 timeframe and, though I know many will disagree, the CE universe. I LOVE (in all caps) the Gundam universe from the One Year War up through the Gryps Conflict, but the Macross franchise has produced so much more consistently good results. Fewer series probably helps, but I also think that the Macross franchise is more open to incorporating new concepts than the Gundam franchise. Unicorn was very pretty and didn’t have a bad plot, but it’s the same thing I’ve seen over and over again. How many Gundam series have loosely been ‘aristocratic spacenoids with nonsensical philosophy fight against Earth’? But this is a rant for another day. In short, I’m seriously considering switching my primary mecha allegiance to Macross.

Retroblogging announcement: Starting next week I will begin bloggging Now and Then, Here and There, a series that I have seen before back in high school and that was recommended during my call for suggestions. Even though I have watched it before, I will follow and ask that readers follow the same spoiler discipline that has been used for the series I’ve retroblogged and not seen before. The series involves a variety of brutal situations, from child soldiers, to rape, to mass killings, so be warned if you find such things unsettling. After nearly 10 years and lots of international relations courses I’m excited to be giving it another look in light of that experience. The series will be blogged two episodes per week, and once everyone’s spirits have been broken and we’re weeping for humanity, I’ll hold a vote for something a bit less traumatic. Currently two series that will be on the ballot are Kimagure Orange Road and Great Teacher Onizuka. I’m looking into coming up with one to two additional series for the ballot, which will be posted the week before the final Now and Then Here and There post. As always, thanks for reading!

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40 Comments

  1. grss1982
    Posted March 3, 2010 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    WAIT!!!! What about the Movie Version? :P

    Anyway, nice to hear you start appreciating the sexy YF-19 cockpit. ;)

    • ExecutiveOtaku
      Posted March 4, 2010 at 7:07 am | Permalink

      I’m going to watch the movie version over spring break sometime, though I didn’t want to blog a movie version of the same events as the series since it would take up time that I could blog another show.

      Heh, I didn’t get what was so great about the YF-19 cockpit until this episode, it was given a lot more time and shot from a lot more angles this time around. Aesthetically I still prefer the lower-tech VF-1 and VF-11 cockpits, but if I were piloting I’d want to be in the YF-19 for that nearly 360 visibility.

      • Lindem
        Posted March 4, 2010 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

        Make sure you do so. Macross Plus was originally conceived as a movie that was padded out to an OVA at the request of the sponsors to prime up interest for Macross 7 (and that movie itself was originally thought as something separate from the Macross franchise, but that’s another tale for another day). Macross Plus Movie Edition is that original idea, and is a lot tighter plotwise. Unfortunately, the initial VF-11 fight scene gets cut, but it’s more than made up by Guld’s new death scene (ferocious enough to imply that everything before that was just the Ghost toying with Guld), and some Lucy fanservice.

  2. Posted March 3, 2010 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    There’s no mandate for anyone to enjoy every iteration of a franchise, and even more so there’s no mandate to enjoy every iteration of the franchise the same way.

    Unlike you Macross Plus was my favorite sequel in the whole lot (in part due to the maturity and darkness within it) until Macross 7 topped it. I certainly don’t blame you for not enjoying 7, as it really requires a particular set of perspectives to enjoy it fully. I most certainly feel lucky that I got into 7 as much as I do. It’s no ZZ Gundam, that’s for sure.

    Not surprisingly, Basara and Isamu are my favorite leads in the whole franchise; not so much as I relate to how they are as people, as they are very different from me — but maybe because they are so different that I find almost everything they do entertaining, if not fascinating. For one, I don’t have a habit of becoming a fan of characters based on their moral choices, or their overall heroism; while many people do.

    It’s all good.

    The dogfight in this episode is still my favorite ever, and the reconciliation between two old friends is one of the most heartwarming things I’ve ever seen. In this case I can certainly relate to both of them, as I’ve lost and won back a few very very dear friends in my lifetime.

    • ExecutiveOtaku
      Posted March 4, 2010 at 7:17 am | Permalink

      True, I just elaborated on my feelings for Plus to try and make it clear that even if it’s my least favorite of the franchise that I’ve so far completed, it’s still far above most mecha series. And that there wasn’t really anything wrong with it, just not enough of the good stuff it had going on.

      I can relate about having favorite characters based just on their personality and the way they act, though for me that takes a (very close) second to the choices they make. When I watch something that I really get into, especially if it’s the military or space opera/epic variety, I really get into the world and thus evaluate characters as if I were living in that world. Therefore actions and choices matter most to me since I’m not really approaching events from as much of an ‘objective’ viewpoint that’s removed from what’s going on.

  3. YF19EX
    Posted March 3, 2010 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    One thing about the Macross series I always enjoyed was the drama and character interactions as it is the heart of the series overall.

    Macross 7 was a good series with a coherent plot with beginning to end. My only gripe was that it could have been accomplished with only half the amount of episodes if they tried. I like Firebomber’s singing, but did not need to hear Planet Dance every single episode for 10 eps before they introduced a new song. (But thats marketing for you). It was nice to see Captain Max, Mirya, Exador.

    Macross Plus although not as large and encompassing story as Macross, 7, or Macross the Movie showed off Bandai technical prowess when it came to last golden age of cel animation and helped bridge the gaps between series.

    There is one thing that did disappointed me was Macross Frontier. For its technical prowess, it did not solve anything major nor did it take any big risks. The homages to the old series were welcome and entertaining, but it played it safe especially when it came to character ending. (Hell at least Hikaru picked someone in the end!) Being a space opera, I did not mind the comedy bits, but the over dramatization of the character interactions became over the top for me. The Macross series had normal conversations and interactions with drama befitting a proper space opera. Not this roaring on the bridge going into battle type deal. A popular tend in most anime, but did not fit the character of the Macross series.

    If there is one thing in the Macross universe story I would like to be told, is what ever happened to the Megaroad 1?

    • ExecutiveOtaku
      Posted March 4, 2010 at 7:27 am | Permalink

      Character development is one of the strong suits of the Macross franchise, and I’ll forever love the original SDF Macross for the amount of character growth and change that it had.

      Macross 7 so far has had some great moments, none of them featuring the main character, but Gamlin, Max and Millia have done their best to compensate for the hated Basara. As you say, I would probably be less annoyed with it if the series was shorter, there’s just too many ‘Basara jumps into Valkyria, plays ‘Planet Dance’, and enemy calls it a day’ sequences. Episode. After. Episode.

      Do not believe the lies and propaganda put forth by the traitors of the Ranka Liberation Front! Alto chose Sheryl in the end, Ranka was just too delusional to understand that she didn’t have a chance, and Sheryl too kind not to humor her! Hehe, I enjoyed Frontier the first time around, and after watching it again in light of having seen the original Macross and Zero, I enjoyed it even more. It unfortunately did not have the depth or realism of SDF Macross or the sidestory OVAs, though the character growth of Alto and Sheryl was very well done in my opinion.

      • YF19EX
        Posted March 4, 2010 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

        I did like how the built up Sheryl within the series. Of all the three, she probably developed the best overall. Her personality became likable. And it maybe true that in the end Alto did chose her, but the lack of decisiveness on his part and made it hard to tell and of course the ending was quite lacking as well.

        The CGI used for the Macross 7 was unique and mechanically detailed. The episode where they showed they continued the Macross class of ships was a system shocker to me. When I saw the ep, I began having all kinds of Star Trek temporal theories running through my head. In the end was a simple explanation that they had built more than one and was a nice bit of fanservice as well.

        Basara truly was a nucklehead. Macross 7 main redeeming character value was in the other characters. Watching Gamlin change from military orders only to thinking for himself was a nice change. But Basara never changed, His thinking was one sided through the TV series all the way to Encore. Other than understanding his role better in the universe, and trying to challenge everything in it, I have saw a more one sided character aside from Shin from Gundam Seed Destiny. But his actions did change the others around him for the better.

  4. Posted March 3, 2010 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been doing the same as you with Macross going through them all finally. Macross Plus is still by far my favourite but Zero a close second. I’m almost done SDF and I gotta say I’m LOVING all the references I’ve been picking up from both Zero and Plus in SDF. *sings* My boyfriend is a pilot now” XD

    I hope I don’t get disappointed like you are with 7.

    I love all the pictures you have taken in this post. You really captured a lot of key moments and are making me want to go back and watch it for like the 100th time XD

    • ExecutiveOtaku
      Posted March 4, 2010 at 7:37 am | Permalink

      SDF Macross will always be the gold standard for me, I suspect. It had everything I want in a mecha/space opera: character growth, realism, great mecha, amazing visuals and shot composition (even for its dated animation), and tragedies and joys that didn’t feel forced or artificial. A couple months ago I wrote a post about my definitive moments of being a fan, but if I had finished SDF Macross by that point it would certainly have made its way onto that list at least once.

      7 is, well, it’s 7. I’m 20 episodes in and I still loathe the main character (and most of his music), but it has had some redeeming features so far. Gamlin, the main character’s rival who I’m sure I will be disappointed to see lose, is a decent guy, if a bit uptight. Millia is as much the badass in 7 as she was in SDF Macross, and seeing her back in the picture has been some of my favorite moments so far. The universe is expanded upon in neat ways too, but it’s hard not to RAEG at the show when someone I hate with ideals I find ridiculous is given center stage. But we’ll see how it turns out in the end, I’m not even halfway done with it.

      • Posted March 6, 2010 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

        I’m going to start it next week I think ^_^ very excited to get to frontier

  5. Posted March 4, 2010 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    I agree that Plus is too short. The movie (with a superficial air of paradox), while shorter, fills in several gaps and has a more complete ending than the OVA, I think.

    Also (and this is merely my personal theory), I’m not sure the city Isamu and Guld were duking it out in was inhabited. It certainly isn’t Macross City, since at the end of Episode 3 and throughout Episode 4, it was night in Macross City, while Isamu and Guld’s battlefield was at sunset; also, we never actually see any people there…no cars, no pedestrians, nothing.

    All of this could be chalked up to continuity glitches, I suppose, but I prefer to think that the two pilots, while certainly out-of-control and running wild, weren’t SO out-of-control that they’d take out a few dozen innocent bystanders…

    Or, as Evangelion put it so eloquently, “She said, ‘Don’t make others suffer for your personal hatred.’”

    I haven’t seen “Now and Then, Here and There,” but I think I’ll try to locate it and take this trip along with you as well.

    • ExecutiveOtaku
      Posted March 4, 2010 at 7:43 am | Permalink

      You don’t actually see any people in the background of the city, but it seemed to well kept up to be either abandoned or under construction. Plus there were things like cars parked on the street (and the tanker truck one of the Valkyries stepped on) that would indicate that it was inhabited. I’d also like to think that the two pilots were not so out of control, so hopefully it’s just a continuity or ‘rule of cool’ glitch.

      Glad to have you onboard for Now and Then, Here and There. It’s been about 10 years since I watched it, but it was a series I enjoyed very much. It can be very brutal, as it was made to explore the impact of situations like the Liberian Civil War and the Rwandan Genocide, but in its way it could also be very hopeful at times.

  6. Der Langrisser
    Posted March 4, 2010 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    The fight between Guld and Isamu is one of my favourite in the series, and for all we can reproach to Guld, his death was heroic. The movie version of Guld last fight is quite a bit longer, and show what both plane and pilot had to endure (quite gory I must say).

    IIRC from my last watching, each Sharon are an aspect of the persona of Myung.
    The gunpod of the YF-21 isn’t a beam gun, but a cartridge-less kinetic cannon.

    I think that Macross’ consistency is thanks to the involvement of its creators in all the series, Kawamori is always at the helm of the different works, so maybe that’s why.

    • ExecutiveOtaku
      Posted March 4, 2010 at 7:47 am | Permalink

      Guld didn’t have to die, and I think he realized that, but he had a lot going on in his mind that made a heroic death preferable to him at that point. I’m going to check out the movie outside of blogging, so I’ll have to see what they did with his final dogfight in that version.

      The creators could be why, that’s a good point. Though Tomino was involved in ZZ and that didn’t save it, heh. Macross is, I think, just more open to incorporating new ideas around its central characteristics, and they didn’t write themselves into a corner with some of the more ridiculous aspects of Gundam, such as the nearly-magical power that Newtypes had by the end of Zeta.

  7. Magnus
    Posted March 4, 2010 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Eh, Macross 7 is iffy for me. It certainly has a story which is kind of interesting after a while, but the characters really need getting used to. And Mylene never really grows up. :-/

    It’s worth watching it a bit for Max and Milia. And Milias hapless henchman. :p

    • ExecutiveOtaku
      Posted March 4, 2010 at 7:48 am | Permalink

      Millia, Max, and Gamlin are why I’m still slogging through Macross 7. If it weren’t for them I wouldn’t have anything to enjoy in the series so far. Mylene isn’t bad either, but she is very much a kid.

  8. d3v
    Posted March 4, 2010 at 4:27 am | Permalink

    The whole urban combat thing has always been a point of contention for fans. A good number though do think that the cities may have been somewhat empty since they seem pretty much static (compared to the very lively cities seen elsewhere) either due to the time or to the fact that everyone was elsewhere (enjoying the concert) or maybe it was a city under construction with no residents yet.

    As for the guards with terrible marksmanship, it pretty much seems that they’re under Sharon’s control which affects their aim somewhat (something we also see with Yang).

    Finally, you should at least try to catch the movie as there are a few extra things not in the OVAs, especially the extended dogfight in the end, and the final parting shot of Isamu and Myung together. And some events have been changed as well.

    • ExecutiveOtaku
      Posted March 4, 2010 at 7:51 am | Permalink

      Given the presence of parked cars and stocked storefronts I think the city was inhabited. Most of the people might have been at the concert, but that doesn’t mean it was empty. Hopefully it’s just a continuity or ‘rule of cool’ issue, since I would hope that neither pilot, especially the more stable Isamu, would be so obsessed as to not care.

      Good point about the guards, I had just assumed that Marge had hired them as assassins, but their slow movement would indicate control by Sharon.

  9. square
    Posted March 4, 2010 at 6:37 am | Permalink

    Great conclusion to the M+ Retroblog. It’s always been my favorite since it was the 1st marcoss I watched as adult and could remember what happened. Watch SDFM when I was a kid and didn’t really remember the finer points until I rewatched it after viewing M+.

    On M7, the best mindset that I’ve found was to view the whole thing from Gamlin’s perspective. It’s safe to say I liked M7 early on as much as the he did. Basara was wholly annoying with his antics and overly optimistic view of conflict. In certain instances I thought Gamlin would at least shoot to disable the pest.

    As the series went on Gamlin (I) went on to realize that Basara was a true “artist”, his love for his craft was beyond everything and he wanted to share it with everyone. This lead me to actually like how Basara dealt with female characters. He treated them with respect and it’s obvious he leans towards very strong females while almost totally ignoring the weaker ones *cough Mylene cough*.

    In the end it was about realizing that this Macross was more of a super robot show and always looking for something in the show besides what the other series provided.

    When MF came out a lot of people saw Sheryl as a shallow bit, but M7 fans new that she really was the female incarnation of Basara, but with the sex traits turn to the max 180.

    • ExecutiveOtaku
      Posted March 4, 2010 at 7:56 am | Permalink

      The paint scheme of Basara’s VF-19 is suggestive of a super robot show, so I’ll try to keep that thought in my head, even if I’m not much of a super robot fan. Gamlin is my favorite so far, and I assume he’ll reconcile with Basara at some point, but if Basara is a pure artist why is he piloting in Valkyrie!? AHHHHH! *phew* ok, rage vented.

      Sheryl came off as shallow and annoying to me at first, after the first 10 episodes or so she really started to prove that she had more to her than being a stuck-up idol. In the end she was one of my favorite Macross characters.

  10. Onion
    Posted March 4, 2010 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    I was under the impression that Sharon let Myung go on purpose and used the guards to drive her to the elevator. I’m pretty sure she was baiting Isamu to bring out that ‘feeling’ she talked about later. (Though the movie suggests there was something even deeper than she realized.)

  11. Keith
    Posted March 4, 2010 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    The final dogfight between Isamu and Guld is the ultimate in mecha pr0n to me, especially the calm after the storm when they coast alongside each other and talk as friends for the first time in the series’ present. Actually, it’s kind of like a sex scene now that I think about it: the duo exchange barbs, scream and yell, jockey for position, then Guld has an epiphany in the orgasmic release of his final Missile Massacre (seriously, how the hell did so many missiles fit into one plane?!) and they exchange sweet nothings in the afterglow. :D :D :D

    Aaaaaand I probably just ruined that scene for everyone.

    If you want to handwave the collateral damage, you could argue that most people were at the Sharon concert, and/or the buildings they smashed look like offices and probably no-one was at work, so they were probably empty.

    • ExecutiveOtaku
      Posted March 5, 2010 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

      I was thinking that it was playing out kind of like a romantic relationship but I didn’t think of it in such…creative terms. ARGH CANNOT UN-READ!!!

  12. tman2000
    Posted March 4, 2010 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    I’ve said this once before, but watching 7 Encore makes all of 7 more than worth it. It makes you wish 7 was more like 7 Encore, but that doesn’t change the fact that by the end of Encore you really realize how much you like various characters. The Galaxy is Calling is good too. Not so much Dynamite, in my opinion.

    You could easily blog each as a blog entry – given the connection with the Macross Plus movie, maybe you could sneak in your commentary there – since everyone wants you to watch that.

    I imagine ‘what’s next’ for Macross will see Hikaru, Misa, and Minmay again – and will hopefully be an excellently produced OVA like Unicorn.

    • Posted March 5, 2010 at 11:52 am | Permalink

      You can imagine that that’s what next for Macross, but I think it’s highly unlikely. Kawamori says he doesn’t want to go there, the VA for Hikaru is dead, and the VA for Minmay lives in Los Angeles.

      • ExecutiveOtaku
        Posted March 5, 2010 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

        While I wouldn’t mind a little afterstory on the characters from SDF Macross, honestly I wouldn’t want more than a little, if any. The ending in the series was so well done, I think it’s pretty complete as it is, with room maybe only for a little bit of what they did after the Zentradi insurgency. Plus there are the VA problems.

        As for what’s next, who knows? There’s quite a big universe that they’ve created for themselves in Macross, stories could come from a huge variety of points in time and space. Though I think the most likely scenario would be something contemporary to or just after the events of Frontier.

  13. d3v
    Posted March 4, 2010 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    AS has been stated too many times, 7 suffers mostly from it being a 40+ episode series. Had it been set to the usual 24-26, then it would have been a better show. That said, the last parts of that were pure Macross, you really should at least try to make one blog entry on it after finishing it.

    • ExecutiveOtaku
      Posted March 5, 2010 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

      Over spring break I’m going to try and compose my thoughts on the first 20 episodes, something I’ve been planning for awhile but never been quite able to sort out in a brief, coherent manner in between classes and regularly scheduled posts. Hopefully I’ll have it put together before too long.

  14. ReddyRedWolf
    Posted March 4, 2010 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    In the end song… A true song saved the world. It is what snaped Isamu back to consciousness out of Sharon’s mind control. As for how Sharon managed mind control remember those bands attached to the audience during her concert? They were used to measure the effects of her songs on them. Along with the AI development it was a study of the brain and effects of songs on them.

    Song being used to awake a person is a common theme in Macross’ sequels. Macross Plus and Macross 7 were produced roughly the same time thus some common elements in the storyline. Macross Frontier had Sheryl awake Rank and together with her awake the Vajra out of Grace’s control.

    • ExecutiveOtaku
      Posted March 5, 2010 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

      Ah, I didn’t even think anything of the bands that everyone was wearing during the Macross City battle. Seems that they were something more than passive sensors.

  15. Posted March 4, 2010 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Macross Plus is one of my all time favorite animes, and definitely my #1 in the Macross continuum. Obviously some of this is due to the order I saw Macross in (for the most part chronological except for 7 which I saw after Macross Zero). Allow me to explain.

    Macross Plus was a paradigm defining anime production. At it’s time, it was the most expensive OVA ever produced, and had record ratings to boot. As a concurrent production with Macross 7, it’s production values were head and shoulders above basically ANYTHING that had been produced before, and arguably would be produced until Macross Zero came out. It was one of the first animes to successfully incorporate a large amount of CG into the animation without looking hokey (along with Ghost in the Shell), and unsurpassed until the End of Evangelion. Simply put, mecha action was pushed forward a few levels by what was presented in Plus. From the absolutely gorgeous battles, to the fact that it was I believe the first mecha series to actually show the pilots actually FEELING their machines (in giant robo shows, it’s customary to have the pilots look like they’re basically playing a computer game a la Kira ‘Jesus’ Yamato), the animation was extremely nice.

    Musically, it was Yoko Kanno’s first major anime work. While sitting here today we can think of a ton of shows with her amazing music (Cowboy Bebop, GITS, other iterations of Macross), at the time the music was completely a different level from what was seen in a non-Ghibli production I’d say.

    Then, there was the brash ‘realism’ of the show. From the much darker tones, to the vastly less ‘cartoony’ feel of the show, it really was a trailbreaking anime, a style which would be replicated 15 years later by Gundam 00.

    Finally there was the story. Because of the iterative nature of Macross series, the best ideas from Plus were incorporated into future series, so that by the time you saw Plus many of these were probably old hat. For instance, fight in the city was replicated by the absolutely awesome Frontier Episode 2. Gritty realism was replicated in Zero, and so on.

    Macross Plus exists in a bit of a different plane than the rest of the Macross world. Aside for the implications of the final battle with Sharon controlling Macross City (which could be chalked up more to dramatic effect than a ‘humanity-ending’ crisis like other in the Macross shows) the story of Macross Plus is really more of a ‘local’ and ‘personal’ story than anything else, something which Gundam SEED Stargazer tried to replicate I think. It showed the lives of people who were not concerned with the fate of humanity but set in the world we love, and I think for that it shows a very different aspect of the universe and a very different way of thinking. Arguably Zero was similar, but I believe the Protoculture implications in Zero seemed much more important overall, and besides Zero featured legacy characters, which Plus definitely did not.

    For these reasons I think that Plus is the best in the lot. But of course I’ve seen the movie as well and that was incredible!

    I hope you do finish Macross 7. The show gets noticeably better in the last quarter, enough to actually be a good show… you’ll soon see why.

    • ExecutiveOtaku
      Posted March 5, 2010 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

      I’ll keep going with Macross 7, I’ve been assured it’s no ZZ Gundam and there have been some genuinely cool moments (‘Millia rides again’ being my favorite thus far.)

      Macross Plus does have a lot of very high quality elements to it, great visuals, music, themes, and mecha technology. But the reason I rate it lower than the other series is that it’s not as rich of a narrative as the others, and the narrative is my primary focus. As much as I eat up great and creative visuals, and the kinds of somber themes that were in Plus, for me it’s not quite as satisfying when it doesn’t play out over the framework of a complete arc. Things happened and were resolved in Plus, but they felt secondary to the environment of the show. Things felt mostly static, with some changes at the end, but still it was mostly like a beautifully painted picture to me, as opposed to an active experience, if that makes any sense.

      • Posted March 5, 2010 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

        Yeah I get what you mean. I guess Macross Plus really wasn’t set in much of a long timeframe (few weeks to months at most). The characters were more set in their ways, and dare I say more adult, versus the generally younger crowd in most anime who have plenty of room to character develop as they are still finding themselves. Adults take a long time to ‘character develop’ even in anime and I think that’s just fine.

        BTW are you planning to watch Macross II? I know it’s not part of the canon, but at the very least you’ll get to see where one of the more popular ‘Macross terms’ used later on by everyone comes from.

  16. KB_SBI
    Posted March 4, 2010 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    A bit sad that it’s over. “M+” maybe a bit short (i had the same thoughts about the Characters, rather rediscovering themselfes than having them learn/experience something new), but i realy liked it over all.
    It’s def. something that like “Zero” before, makes me love the Franchise even more (unlike “M7″…).
    I think i’ll make a Macross Marathon next year around the Time the Launch Date would have been. I will def watch this OVA Serie again. Don’t know if i will watch the Movie Cut, tough.

    Wasn’t sure about Isamu in the Beginning, but after all is said and done the cocky bastard has his Heart in the right place. He’s little like Roy, in that outside a his Fighter you might not always take him serious. But he has the skills and will get the Job done by pulling off every crazy manuver he has to (even if he doesn’t have to).
    Guld, was a very interessting Character but i would have liked a bit more explanation on his
    Meltdown in the Flashback. I think i’d would have also cleard up that remark from OVA 2-3 about him being a half Zentradi. Are aggresive outburst a problem of the descendants of this Race build for Warfare? Is it a common Problem? Questions over, questions…
    Myung was just boring to me, but seening as that she couldn’t make her Dreams come true and kind of lost her path in life made me atlest feel a little for her.

    As for Sharon Apple: Oh, man just once i would like to see a Movie, TV Show, etc where as soon as some “Mad Scientist” Type tries to give an emotionally unstable A.I. Access to way overpowered Weapons systems, someone realizes ahead of time, so he’d get a propper beat down (well at least that Dumbass took a dive from the SDF-1). Seriously, as soon as somebody sees even the tiniest piece of Evidence for crazy CPU lovin’, just punch him square in the jaw.

    Honorable mention slowes/laziest Goons in propably all Media.

    Beatiful Dogfight Scenes. Realy breath taking, especially in the in Part 4 with the Fight a Sunset so awsome.
    Also i realy like both Fighters YF-19 and YF-21 now. Plus points for the 19 who looks super smooth here (unlike Basara’s Megazord… Sorry, “Fire Valkyrie”).

    Executive, seen as form the way you written you seem to experience “M7″ in a way i did. It’s soo f*ckin slow for the first 25-29 Episodes But keep going. From Ep29 or so up i does get a bit better (empathy on A BIT). Maybe i’m a bit hard on it but for me it doesn’t hold a candle to SDF, DYRL, Plus or Zero for me.
    They realy should have based the Story around Max and Millia (& honorable mention Exedol), would have been way more interessting this way. These two could be 60+ and still school the bigger part of the Macross Universe. That’s the best thing to me in all of “M7″, to see that they both still go it (Max in his VF-22 Sturmvogel II making a run for the Planet of the Proto Devlin, Millia in her VF-1J). Mylene is just a Kid and get’s more annoying with each Episode, Ray and almost everyone else are just there to brown nose Basara while he’s total douche.
    I realy like Gamlin too, bit of a stiff at the Beginning but he get’s more relaxed. I just can’t understand what he sees in Mylene.
    Also the designs for the Proto Devlin are so way beyond lame, they look like Henchmen from the Power Rangers.
    After all, i realy, realy don’t like it and i down right hate the End of the Series to be exact. The entire Conflict of the Show could have been avoided so easily… (Or so it appeard to me, so correct me if i’m wrong).
    But i’m watching the “Encore” Episodes now and will watch the Movie too, hopefully those will be better.

    Thanks to you Executive for the awsome Retroblogging, i realy enjoyed the Macross blogs.

    • ExecutiveOtaku
      Posted March 5, 2010 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

      Your rule about screening out crazy computer/AI developers should be made into a law. The signs are obvious, even if computer science and engineering people are often fairly odd people it should still be easy to tell, hehe.

      I’m not seeing how the conflict in Macross 7 could have been avoided, though I haven’t watched past episode 21 yet.

      • ReddyRedWolf
        Posted March 6, 2010 at 5:17 am | Permalink

        Keep on watching. It is a case of UN Spacy poking where it shouldn’t much like with Macross Zero.

  17. square
    Posted March 5, 2010 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    @KB_SBI I don’t get how it could have been avoided. That’s like saying MF could have avoided the vajara

    • KB_SBI
      Posted March 8, 2010 at 1:18 am | Permalink

      You’re right i didn’t phrased myself very good there (was a bit tired). So i try to make myself clear.

      SPOILER ALERT:

      In the last Episode of “M7″ Gepelnitch almost kills/destroys the entire Univers by suckin up all Animal Spirita. Somehow Basara still manages to sing is Song and for what ever Reason Gepelnitch and the other Protodevlin join his singing and in the end realize, that they didn’t need the Humans as Source for life energy and that they themselves have the power self-sustain themselves.

      From my point of view it made the entire Series a bit pointless since, the Proto Devlin could have realized the same thing ages ago (or atleast the other Devlin could have killed of Gepelnitch since they knew already that he has a bias torwards “going Pac Man on the Universe”).

      But whatever, may be i just see something that isn’t realy there.

  18. justam
    Posted March 7, 2010 at 12:49 am | Permalink

    @EO
    As ghostlightning wrote waaaaay up in these comments, Macross 7 does become much more memorable and awesome if you’re willing to take a certain perspective while watching it. I’ll try my best to explain what this perspective should be a little later, but do take it with a grain of salt though, after all, it might be a perspective that suits only me. Before I do go into the perspective I took, a little context.

    I got introduced to the Macross franchise thanks to Macross F. After that, I dove into SDF, DYRL, Zero and Plus, and I fell madly in love with the Macross universe. However, there was a good chunk of the Macross universe which I had yet to see, and I was hesitant to expose myself to it (‘it’ being the parts of the universe covered by Macross 7). I had heard that Macross 7 had a ridiculously lame bad-guy of the week plot and structure, and that its characters weren’t particularly likeable (unless you grew to like them, or if they went by the names of Max or Millia). I was hesitant to expose myself to Macross 7 because I was afraid it’d ruin the universe that I had fell in love with up till that point.

    A friend convinced me last year that the show isn’t as bad as I thought it’d be, and that given enough time with the songs, I would probably come to like the series too. And boy was he right.

    I ended up watching the show with no expectations. I knew I was going to expose myself to a stack load of stock footage, a tool of a main character and a ridiculous plot. In fact, I had resigned myself to viewing a tonne of senseless crap that probably lacked the Macross spirit. And the show didn’t disappoint. It was ridiculous. But it was so ridiculous that it became memorable, and surprisingly, it even ADDED TO the Macross spirit (I suppose it’d make more sense if I said that it added to the spirit I’ve come to associate Macross with). Sure there was a lot of stock footage and poorly animated mech fights. Sure, Basara ended up being an uncompromising tool who always threw himself into danger with no regards for other people’s safety just so he could force others to LISTEN TO HIS SONG. Sure, the Protodevlins were quite the puzzling and annoying bad guys. But if you watch this show with all your thought processes shut down, and entirely disregard any ideals, character development and anything else that you’d use to judge shows, you’ll come to realise that this show’s all about a man’s burning desire to sing. This show’s all about his passion. And hey, surprise surprise, “Nekki” means “enthusiasm” or “hot air”.

    So while Basara’s songs may not touch you now, they’re sure to reach you by the end of the show. And hopefully, these songs will become a part of everything that you treasure in the Macross universe.

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